Vatican II Debate

The Ecclesiology Debate:
Did Vatican II Teach Heresy?

Bp. Donald Sanborn vs. Dr. Robert Fastiggi

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Resolved: The teaching of the Second Vatican Council and the Post-Conciliar Church about the Nature of the Catholic Church is HERETICAL.

Participants:

  • Affirmative: Most Rev. Donald Sanborn (Sedevacantist)
  • Negative: Dr. Robert Fastiggi, Ph.D. (Novus Ordo)
  • Moderator: Mr. Courtney Robinson

Date of Debate: July 19, 2004

Length of Debate: 2:00 hrs

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Documents & Documentation relating to this debate

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The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope

If Francis is a true Pope, you’re stuck with him…

The Impossibility of Judging or Deposing a True Pope

He judges all and is judged by no one: the Pope

Accepting the Vatican II Sect as the Catholic Church has consequences. So does believing that Jorge Bergoglio is the Vicar of Christ despite being a public apostate: If he is a valid Pope, then there is no power on earth that can undo his papacy. If he is truly the successor of St. Peter, then he can resign voluntarily, but no one can take the pontificate from him.

This clear truth does not sit well with many in the “Recognize-and-Resist” (aka “Semi-Traditionalist”) camp, now that Francis is so obviously a non-Catholic and so clearly doing grave damage to Catholicism.

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Have the Gates of Hell Prevailed? The Papacy and Sedevacantism

Refuting a common objection…

Sedevacantism:
Have the Gates of Hell Prevailed?


One of the most common objections made against the Sedevacantist position is that if it were true that Francis or any of his five predecessors are not valid Popes, it would mean that the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church and therefore Christ’s promise in Matthew 16:18 that this could never happen would be made void. Although one would hope that most people who have looked into Sedevacantism would know by now that surely no one would hold this position if it were that easy to refute it, it is nevertheless useful to give it some renewed attention.… READ MORE

EXCLUSIVE: “Michael Davies – An Evaluation” by John S. Daly – New Edition, Free Download

SSPX Star Apologist dismantled in 584 pages…

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MICHAEL DAVIES — AN EVALUATION
by John S. Daly

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One of the most prominent and influential writers of the traditionalist movement in the Vatican II Church was the English writer Michael Treharne Davies (1936-2004). No individual has written more prolifically than Davies on traditionalist issues, and probably no single layman, with the possible exception of Dietrich von Hildebrand, has enjoyed wider prominence, credibility, and trustworthiness than him. But is this respect Mr. Davies has enjoyed really well-founded? If not, what does this mean for the people who base most of their understanding of the traditionalist subject matter on the research and argumentation of this man?… READ MORE

On those “Pitfalls of False Logic”: A Response to Mundabor on the Papacy

Clueless as usual…

On those “Pitfalls of False Logic”:
A Response to the Blogger Mundabor on the Papacy

On Nov. 5, 2015, the English blogger Mundabor published a post entitled, “Keeping The Faith: The Pitfalls Of False Logic”. As is his usual style, Mundabor offers a mix of verbal assault coupled with ignorance of Catholicism, combining a contemptuous language with plenty of rash claims devoid of any actual Catholic theology. This is confirmed by the fact that he does not even attempt to quote any Catholic authority to back up anything he says. Absent this, what he says is simply his opinion, although even that would be fine if at least it were properly informed and correct.… READ MORE

Are You Catholic? It’s Time to take a Stand

Time to take a stand…

Are You Catholic?

It’s only a few more weeks, nay days, before Jorge Bergoglio (“Pope” Francis) visits the United States. He will arrive on Tuesday, Sept. 22 and stay until Sunday, Sept. 27. Here is the official schedule:

With the arrival of Francis, a great many secular people will turn their attention to “things Catholic”, and this means that for those of us who live in the United States, we may very well be asked whether we are Catholic, what we think of Francis, and whether we are excited about the “papal” visit.… READ MORE

Can we reject Magisterial Teaching if it wasn’t believed always, everywhere, and by all?

The True Meaning of the Vincentian Canon

Deflating Another ‘Resistance’ Myth: Can we reject Magisterial Teaching if it wasn’t believed “always, everywhere, and by all”?

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“Cafeteria Catholicism” is a fitting label often used to describe the position taken by overt Modernists and other pseudo-Catholic liberals (such as Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, or John Kerry) who like to pick and choose which Church teachings to accept and which ones to reject. Usually what is accepted is those things perceived as politically correct, expedient, or simply non-offensive (for example, the existence of God, the importance and power of prayer, the reality of Heaven, or the importance of loving of neighbor), whereas what is rejected is those teachings that are politically incorrect, offensive to modern man, or somehow inconvenient or burdensome (for example, the necessity of the Catholic Church for salvation, the prohibition against worship with non-Catholics, the reality of hell, or the indissolubility of marriage or most other sins against the Sixth and Ninth Commandments).… READ MORE

Can a Heretical Pope be Deposed? St. Robert Bellarmine Refutes the Anti-Sedevacantists

A Doctor of the Church weighs in…

Can a Heretical Pope Be Deposed?

St. Robert Bellarmine Refutes the Anti-Sedevacantists

As we had announced in one of our News Digests recently, the monumental theological work De Romano Pontifice(“On the Roman Pontiff”) of Cardinal St. Robert Bellarmine, S.J., has now been translated into English, for the first time ever. The translator is Mr. Ryan Grant of Mediatrix Press, and the English-speaking world owes him a tremendous amount of gratitude.

The English On the Roman Pontiff is being published in two volumes, with the first volume containing Books I and II, and the second volume containing Books III, IV, and V.

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Introducing “The Anti-Modernist Reader” (Volume 1)

New Book now available…

The Anti-Modernist Reader: 
Studies on the New Religion of Vatican II

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Volume 1: The Papacy

Edited by Rev. Anthony Cekada

The Anti-Modernist Reader is a multi-volume anthology of articles written by several sedevacantist clerics since the 1990s, many of which have been published at TraditionalMass.org. The essays are arranged topically, with each volume being dedicated to a particular topic. This first volume, now published, deals with the divinely-established office of the papacy. Future volumes will include material on the Holy Mass, on the Sacraments, on Sedevacantism, and more.

To give you an introduction to this series and provide some of the background of how the idea for this anthology came about, our friends at Restoration Radio have put together a short broadcast, free of charge, discussing The Anti-Modernist Reader with its editor and co-author: CLICK HERE TO LISTEN.… READ MORE

TRADCAST 004 (Apr. 1, 2015)

004 TRADCAST (1 APR 2015)


Contents

  • The Catholic dogma Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus (“No Salvation Outside the Church”): Who is inside the Church? Can one be inside the Church without being a member? We provide an easy-to-follow explanation based on Catholic premises and rigorous reasoning.
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The Poison of the Novus Ordo “Mass”: Catholic Theology Refutes Neo-Trad Bloggers

Contribution to a discussion…

The Poison of the Novus Ordo “Mass”:
Catholic Theology refutes Neo-Trad Bloggers

Novus Ordo Missae: The Modernist Worship Service in Action
image: pixabay.com (Susan Wolf) / public domain

If you want to have a stellar example of the warped theology and mental gymnastics you have to embrace in Neo-Traditionalist Wonderland, look no further than the issues being discussed by Mundabor and Louie Verrecchio on whether the “New Mass” (Novus Ordo Missae of Paul VI) is evil and/or sinful to attend. There we have two individuals who use Catholic principles very selectively and/or turn a blind eye to what is right in front of them, in order not to have to embrace that which would otherwise follow necessarily: Sedevacantism.… READ MORE

Francis the Destroyer: An Anthology of the Bergoglian “Magisterium”

12 Pages of Claptrap…

Francis the Destroyer:
An Anthology of the Bergoglian “Magisterium”
by Miles Christi

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If you can stomach it: A writer using the pen name of Miles Christi (“Soldier of Christ”) has compiled 12 pages of quotations from “Pope” Francis since his election on March 13, 2013, demonstrating how the man is not a Roman Catholic and therefore cannot be the head of the Catholic Church, since “he cannot be the head of that [of] which he is not a member” (St. Robert Bellarmine, De Romano Pontifice II, c. 30).

This anthology is being made available in several languages.

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Mgr. Fenton on the Failure of Vatican II: What John Vennari didn’t tell you

Mgr. Fenton on the Failure of Vatican II
— What John Vennari didn’t tell you

Mr. John Vennari

John Vennari, editor of the recognize-and-resist flagship publication Catholic Family News, has long been an ardent proponent of the great anti-Modernist theologian Mgr. Joseph Clifford Fenton (1906-1969), and rightly so. Fenton was indeed a remarkably gifted and zealous opponent of Modernism in the twentieth century, a genuine stronghold of Catholic orthodoxy amid the theological liberalism that was trying to gain foot in the years leading up to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65).

For well over ten years, and again very recently, Vennari has been quoting in his articles and talks from an essay written by Mgr.… READ MORE

A Failed Strategy: “Resisting from Within” the Vatican II Church

How’s it been working out?

A Failed Strategy:
“Resisting from Within” the Novus Ordo Church

by Bp. Donald J. Sanborn

[Taken from In Veritate Blog]

…Now that fifty years have transpired since Vatican II, can we really say that the movement from within has succeeded? After a half a century of resisting from within, has the tidal wave of Vatican II receded? Has the Catholic faith become stronger in the souls of baptized Catholics? As we look around at the vineyard of the Church, is it flourishing with deep faith and obedience to the commandments of God? Are the sheep of Christ in good hands?

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Comedy Hour with John Salza: His interview on Papal Authority

Make popcorn, folks…

Comedy Hour with John Salza:

A Critical Review of his Interview on Papal Authority on Voice of Catholic Radio 

It is really scary to see what is marketed as “traditional Catholicism” by the false traditionalist “Recognize-and-Resist” camp these days. Their stubborn unwillingness to concede that the Vatican II Church cannot be the Catholic Church of our Lord Jesus Christ, and that its “popes” cannot be true Catholic Popes, is driving them to twist and distort genuine traditional Catholic doctrine regarding the nature, authority, and infallibility of the papacy and the Church’s Magisterium.

On March 30, 2014, the Long-Island-based program Voice of Catholic Radio featured a 40-minute interview with “Resistance” apologist John Salza, conducted by host Joe Bagnoli (click here to listen or download).

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