“Chaos Frank” strikes again…
Francis in Message to Ecumenical Event: “I want to say something that may perhaps be a Heresy, I don’t know” —UPDATED
UPDATE 28-MAY-2015 03:05 UTC: Now that the full message in the original Spanish has become available, we have published a follow-up post that examines Francis’ actual words and responds to attempts to render them harmless:
- Follow-Up: Spanish Original clarifies: Francis admitted his Teaching is “perhaps a Heresy, I don’t know”
UPDATE 26-MAY-2015 22:45 UTC: The Vatican web site has released a transcript of Francis’ actual words in Spanish, which reveals that what he actually said is even worse than the initial translation from Vatican Radio suggests:
- Spanish Original Transcript: VIDEOMENSAJE DEL SANTO PADRE FRANCISCO CON OCASIÓN DE LA JORNADA DE UNIDAD CRISTIANA (May 23, 2015)
We will soon publish a follow-up post on this matter right here at the Novus Ordo Wire, and our next TRADCAST podcast will be dedicated entirely to this story.
UPDATE 26-MAY-2015 10:01 UTC: Given that Francis himself has now used the word “heretical” to refer to his own thought, we are going to see two main reactions to this among people who consider themselves traditional Catholics and yet have until now accepted Francis’ claim to being the Pope: (1) We will see people fall into what we have labeled “Resignationism”, namely the idea that the resignation of Benedict XVI was invalid and he is “still” the true Pope; (2) We will see the heresy being advanced that cardinals can judge a Pope and depose him. Yes, that’s a heresy. The true Catholic position is laid out here, as confirmed by the First Vatican Council.
Jorge Bergoglio, the leader of the Modernist Vatican II Sect, is just priceless. Just when you thought it was going to be a slow news day, he drops another bombshell. Addressing the people gathered for the “Day for Christian Unity”, sponsored by the Protestant-Ecumenical John 17 Movement and held on May 23, 2015, in Phoenix, Arizona, “Pope” Francis used the occasion to once again promote his heresy of an “ecumenism of blood”, but this time in a more obviously pertinacious way than ever before. The following are his words verbatim, as provided by Vatican Radio:
Dear brothers and sisters, division is a wound in the body of the Church of Christ. And we do not want this wound to remain open. Division is the work of the Father of Lies, the Father of Discord, who does everything possible to keep us divided.
Together today, I here in Rome and you over there, we will ask our Father to send the Spirit of Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and to give us the grace to be one, “so that the world may believe”. I feel like saying something that may sound controversial, or even heretical, perhaps.But there is someone who “knows” that, despite our differences, we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he who is persecuting Christians today, he who is anointing us with (the blood of) martyrdom. He knows that Christians are disciples of Christ: that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn’t care if they are Evangelicals, or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic…he doesn’t care! They are Christians. And that blood (of martyrdom) unites. Today, dear brothers and sisters, we are living an “ecumenism of blood”. This must encourage us to do what we are doing today: to pray, to dialogue together, to shorten the distance between us, to strengthen our bonds of brotherhood.
(“Pope sends greetings for US Christian Unity event”, Vatican Radio, May 24, 2015; underlining added.)
Not only do Francis’ words “sound” heretical, they are heretical. They contradict the teaching of the holy Roman Catholic Church as received from Christ through the Apostles, and as taught faithfully until the death of the last known true Pope, Pius XII, in 1958.
In the snippet of his message to Protestants quoted above, not only does Francis make clear that he believes that Protestants are part of the Body of Christ, that the Church is divided in Faith, and that those who do not share this one Faith are nevertheless “brothers” who are “unified” and true “disciples of Christ”; he is very well aware that this is heresy, for which reason he states right at the beginning that this “may sound … heretical, perhaps”. Note well: Even though he is not saying flat-out that it is heretical, he is nevertheless demonstrating the perverseness of his will — he concedes that it might be heretical, and thus shows himself not to care whether it is or not. In other words, even if it is heresy, this will not stop him from holding his belief and teaching it to the world. Here we have, quite clearly, a pertinacious heretic — no papal pretender of the Vatican II Sect has ever so boldly announced his own heresies!
We are now waiting for people like “Father” Zuhlsdorf, Jimmy Akin, and Tim Haines to “explain” to us how the latest salvo of Bergoglian claptrap is not heretical, is not favorable to heresy, is not erroneous, is not offensive to pious ears. And of course we are waiting on Michael Voris and his Church Disneyland crew to ignore the story, as he has faithfully done throughout his sham “Catholic” enterprise ever since Francis was elected in March 2013.
The Vatican’s YouTube channel has also released a video clip in which Francis is seen reading his message to the American Protestants gathered in Phoenix:
Of course, no such video message was made to appeal to the people of Ireland to vote ‘no’ on same-sex marriage — instead, only crickets.
As for the “ecumenism of blood” heresy, which contradicts the Council of Florence verbatim, we have blasted Bergoglio for it at length before, and there is no need to repeat all of the arguments here; a link to the original story will suffice:
It won’t take long for people to figure out that if “all Christians” can be united in a common martyrdom that sends them all equally to Heaven because they are killed by Muslims who “do not care” if they are Catholic, Orthodox, or Protestant before killing them, then this must logically also work for anyone else killed by Muslims for their religion, because Muslim jihadists “do not care” if someone is Jewish, Buddhist, Zoroastrian, Hindu, or atheist, either — they only care that you are not a Muslim. So then the logical conclusion of the “Ecumenism of Blood” is that anyone who is killed for his religious views is united in a common “martyrdom” that sends them to eternal bliss. And thus the Catholic teaching on martyrdom has been entirely subverted, distorted, and ridiculed.
We have contrasted the Vatican II Sect’s heresies on religious unity, ecumenism, indifferentism, and Modernism with the clear traditional Catholic teachings many times before, and we will do so again. Read the following quotes and ask yourself if the Vatican II Sect still believes or teaches these things — the answer is, “obviously not.” But the Catholic Church cannot fail in her mission — she cannot abandon the True Faith and become a harlot, fornicating with the errors and heresies of the world. The Catholic Church cannot be unfaithful to her Divine Spouse, who has promised to be with her always (see Mt 28:20; cf. Mt 16:18; Jn 14:16; 1 Tim 3:15; 2 Jn 1:9). Pope Pius XI explicitly lauded “the perfect and perpetual immunity of the Church from error and heresy” (Encyclical Quas Primas, n. 22), a description one obviously could never apply to the Modernist Sect now occupying the Vatican structures.
First, let’s have a look at the dogmatic teaching of the Council of Florence under Pope Eugene IV, which decreed infallibly:
[This council] firmly believes, professes, and proclaims that those not living within the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics cannot become participants in eternal life, but will depart “into everlasting fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels” [Matt. 25:41], unless before the end of life the same have been added to the flock; and that the unity of the ecclesiastical body is so strong that only to those remaining in it are the sacraments of the Church of benefit for salvation, and do fastings, almsgiving, and other functions of piety and exercises of Christian service produce eternal reward, and that no one, whatever almsgiving he has practiced, even if he has shed blood for the name of Christ, can be saved, unless he has remained in the bosom and unity of the Catholic Church.
(Council of Florence, Decree Cantate Domino; Denz. 714; underlining added.)
This Francis clearly does not believe. He believes the contrary, and he does not care.
Pope Pius IX, in his 1868 Apostolic Letter convoking the First Vatican Council, beckoned the erring Protestant sheep to return to the fold of Christ, which, so the Pope emphasized, is one in Faith and government and does not consist of various denominations or parts:
Now, whoever will carefully examine and reflect upon the condition of the various religious societies, divided among themselves, and separated from the Catholic Church, which, from the days of our Lord Jesus Christ and his Apostles has never ceased to exercise, by its lawful pastors, and still continues to exercise, the divine power committed to it by this same Lord; cannot fail to satisfy himself that neither any one of these societies by itself, nor all of them together, can in any manner constitute and be that One Catholic Church which Christ our Lord built, and established, and willed should continue; and that they cannot in any way be said to be branches or parts of that Church, since they are visibly cut off from Catholic unity. For, whereas such societies are destitute of that living authority established by God, which especially teaches men what is of Faith, and what the rule of morals, and directs and guides them in all those things which pertain to eternal salvation, so they have continually varied in their doctrines, and this change and variation is ceaselessly going on among them. Every one must perfectly understand, and clearly and evidently see, that such a state of things is directly opposed to the nature of the Church instituted by our Lord Jesus Christ; for in that Church truth must always continue firm and ever inaccessible to all change, as a deposit given to that Church to be guarded in its integrity, for the guardianship of which the presence and aid of the Holy Ghost have been promised to the Church for ever.
(Pope Pius IX, Apostolic Letter Iam Vos Omnes; underlining added.)
If there is one document that comprehensively refutes the heresy of ecumenism and its related errors as proposed by the Novus Ordo Church and especially its current leader, “Pope” Francis, it is the encyclical Mortalium Animos of Pope Pius XI, issued in 1928. Be sure to read the entire document — it is not very long —, and you will see that it is diametrically opposed to the teachings and practices of the Modernist Vatican II Sect (which is exactly why they never quote or refer to it in any of their documents):
And here it seems opportune to expound and to refute a certain false opinion, on which this whole question, as well as that complex movement by which non-Catholics seek to bring about the union of the Christian churches depends. For authors who favor this view are accustomed, times almost without number, to bring forward these words of Christ: “That they all may be one…. And there shall be one fold and one shepherd” [Jn 17:21; Jn 10:16]; with this signification however: that Christ Jesus merely expressed a desire and prayer, which still lacks its fulfillment. For they are of the opinion that the unity of faith and government, which is a note of the one true Church of Christ, has hardly up to the present time existed, and does not to-day exist. They consider that this unity may indeed be desired and that it may even be one day attained through the instrumentality of wills directed to a common end, but that meanwhile it can only be regarded as mere ideal. They add that the Church in itself, or of its nature, is divided into sections; that is to say, that it is made up of several churches or distinct communities, which still remain separate, and although having certain articles of doctrine in common, nevertheless disagree concerning the remainder; that these all enjoy the same rights; and that the Church was one and unique from, at the most, the apostolic age until the first Ecumenical Councils. Controversies therefore, they say, and longstanding differences of opinion which keep asunder till the present day the members of the Christian family, must be entirely put aside, and from the remaining doctrines a common form of faith drawn up and proposed for belief, and in the profession of which all may not only know but feel that they are brothers. The manifold churches or communities, if united in some kind of universal federation, would then be in a position to oppose strongly and with success the progress of irreligion. This, Venerable Brethren, is what is commonly said….
This being so, it is clear that the Apostolic See cannot on any terms take part in their assemblies, nor is it anyway lawful for Catholics either to support or to work for such enterprises; for if they do so they will be giving countenance to a false Christianity, quite alien to the one Church of Christ. Shall We suffer, what would indeed be iniquitous, the truth, and a truth divinely revealed, to be made a subject for compromise? For here there is question of defending revealed truth. Jesus Christ sent His Apostles into the whole world in order that they might permeate all nations with the Gospel faith, and, lest they should err, He willed beforehand that they should be taught by the Holy Ghost [Jn 16:13]: has then this doctrine of the Apostles completely vanished away, or sometimes been obscured, in the Church, whose ruler and defense is God Himself? If our Redeemer plainly said that His Gospel was to continue not only during the times of the Apostles, but also till future ages, is it possible that the object of faith should in the process of time become so obscure and uncertain, that it would be necessary to-day to tolerate opinions which are even incompatible one with another? If this were true, we should have to confess that the coming of the Holy Ghost on the Apostles, and the perpetual indwelling of the same Spirit in the Church, and the very preaching of Jesus Christ, have several centuries ago, lost all their efficacy and use, to affirm which would be blasphemy. But the Only-begotten Son of God, when He commanded His representatives to teach all nations, obliged all men to give credence to whatever was made known to them by “witnesses preordained by God” [Acts 10:41], and also confirmed His command with this sanction: “He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be condemned” [Mk 16:16]. These two commands of Christ, which must be fulfilled, the one, namely, to teach, and the other to believe, cannot even be understood, unless the Church proposes a complete and easily understood teaching, and is immune when it thus teaches from all danger of erring….
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, nn. 7-8; underlining added.)
Finally, Pope Pius XII made clear that one can never engage in ecumenism under the pretext that somehow “what unites us is greater than what divides us”. Rather:
Even on the plea of promoting unity it is not allowed to dissemble one single dogma; for, as the Patriarch of Alexandria warns us, ‘although the desire of peace is a noble and excellent thing, yet we must not for its sake neglect the virtue of loyalty in Christ.’ Consequently, the much desired return of erring sons to true and genuine unity in Christ will not be furthered by exclusive concentration on those doctrines which all, or most, communities glorying in the Christian name accept in common. The only successful method will be that which bases harmony and agreement among Christ’s faithful ones upon all the truths, and the whole of the truths, which God has revealed.
(Pope Pius XII, Encyclical Orientalis Ecclesiae, n. 16; underlining added.)
The following is a list of links to other magisterial documents issued by the true Popes on the same question of ecumenism and religious unity — read them carefully, for they are refreshingly clear and beautiful and stand in such stark contrast to the Modernist-Masonic drivel that has come from the Novus Ordo Vatican since John XXIII and the Second Vatican Council:
- Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore (1863)
- Pope Pius IX, Instruction to Anglican Puseyites on True Religious Unity (1865)
- Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Praeclara Gratulationis Publicae (1894)
- Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Satis Cognitum on the Unity of the Church (1896)
- Pope St. Pius X, Letter Our Apostolic Mandate on Society and Interreligious Cooperation (1910)
- Pope Pius XII, Canonical Warning on Attending Ecumenical Gatherings (1948)
- Pope Pius XII, Instruction on the Ecumenical Movement (1949)
Having dealt with the Vatican II Church long enough, we already know the kind of excuses that will be made by Francis apologists like Patrick Madrid, Tim Haines, Jimmy Akin, Dwight Longenecker, and others. They will say that we have twisted his words — that Francis did not say, “I feel like saying something heretical” but only, “I feel like saying something that may sound heretical, perhaps.” Anticipating this very objection, let us respond to it right here and now:
The hair-splitting distinction here is frivolous — Francis has, by virtue of his putative office, a strict obligation in justice to convey not only no heresy but not even the appearance of heresy, lest anyone should be scandalized or misled. Just as Christians persecuted by pagan Rome were not allowed to even give the appearance of sacrificing incense to an idol, even if they didn’t actually do it, neither is a man allowed to give the appearance of endorsing heresy, lest he commit the grave sin of scandal, especially if he holds, supposedly, the highest teaching position in the Catholic Church.
“Scandal” is defined as any word or deed that either is evil or has the appearance of evil and is the cause of another’s spiritual ruin, regardless of whether the other actually commits a sin or not. The 1912 Catholic Encyclopedia has a good article explaining the sin of scandal: CLICK HERE.
Francis may say that he only believed his words “may” “perhaps” “sound” heretical, but what he is doing here is nothing but a classic case of leaving room for plausible deniability — it is a sneaky way out for him in case anyone wants to nail him down for pertinacity. Pope Pius VI saw this being done at the robber synod of Pistoia in the late 18th century, and would have none of it. He scolded the innovators and exposed their scheming, which, the Pope said…
…cannot be excused in the way that one sees it being done, under the erroneous pretext that the seemingly shocking affirmations in one place are further developed along orthodox lines in other places, and even in yet other places corrected; as if allowing for the possibility of either affirming or denying the statement, or of leaving it up to the personal inclinations of the individual – such has always been the fraudulent and daring method used by innovators to establish error. It allows for both the possibility of promoting error and of excusing it.
(Pope Pius VI, Bull Auctorem Fidei, introd.)
The same Pius VI also called to mind the tactics of the heretic Nestorius, who…
…expressed himself in a plethora of words, mixing true things with others that were obscure; mixing at times one with the other in such a way that he was also able to confess those things which were denied while at the same time possessing a basis for denying those very sentences which he confessed.
Could you imagine what Pope Pius VI would say today about Francis?! Francis’ heresies make Nestorianism look like child’s play.
Once again, Bergoglio’s been busted! Yes, there will always be useful iditios in his church who will clean up after him and make all the excuses needed to keep the charade going, but we appeal to all people of good will who are still in possession of their faculties to please finally open their eyes and no longer deny the obvious! The situation is dire — we don’t need any more pseudo-theological shysterism to keep the idea alive that the Vatican II Sect is the Catholic Church and its head the Pope.
Francis is not the Pope! The true Catholic Church has been in eclipse since the death of Pius XII, and the sooner people finally accept this frightening reality, the better. Yes, frightening it is, but reality does not care what we think about it. God will grant us all the graces we need to make it through these difficult times, into which He has seen fit to place us, in His infinitely benevolent providence. See our helpful article “Now What?” for information on where to go from here.
Whether or not Bergoglio thought his words might only sound heretical, the fact is that they are heretical. Here is the hireling, nay the wolf, posing as the shepherd, leading souls to eternal ruin, and he doesn’t care.
[Please read also our Follow-Up post here, which was written after the verbatim wording of Francis’ message in the original Spanish became available — the scandal turns out to be even bigger!]