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Novus Ordo vs. Sedevacantist Discussion, Part 2

The Catholic vs. podcast is a Novus Ordo podcast produced and hosted by David Mary Andrew Ross. The host, who is a convert to the Vatican II Church from atheism (2009), interviews guests who have a religious position different from his own. The format is informal and conversational, and the idea is to generate light rather than heat.

On Sep. 30, 2017, in an episode entitled Catholic vs. Catholic, the host interviewed sedevacantist Stephen Heiner, an episode we featured on this blog. The audio is still available and can be listened to here.

On June 14 of this year, Ross invited Heiner to his show once more, for a follow-up to the original discussion. The audio has now been released, and you can listen to it here:

In roughly 36 minutes, Ross and Heiner challenge each other on a number of different issues, including the teachings of Vatican II, continuity vs. rupture, Francis’ claim to the Papacy, the benefit of the doubt, the nature of the Church, the question of authority, and more.

Stephen Heiner is the founder of True Restoration, a sedevacantist media apostolate. True Restoration produces and publishes radio shows, video interviews, and books relating to topics of interest for traditional Catholics, thus helping to educate people in the Catholic Faith and its unique take on every aspect of our world.

True Restoration is well known for its popular Francis Watch radio show, which Novus Ordo Watch currently sponsors so that the public can listen for free. Other True Restoration programs include This is Catholicism, From the Pulpit, Catholic Spirituality, Apologetics, Tradition and the Church, Clerical Conversations, The Catholic Home, and more. Although most content on True Restoration requires a paid subscription, the organization has released a large number of free episodes, which can be accessed here.

On the June 14, 2018 edition of the Catholic vs. podcast, you will find Mr. Heiner making a powerful case for Sedevacantism. We would like to express our gratitude to Mr. Ross for his sincerity, courage, and good will in hosting a sedevacantist guest for his podcast now for the second time. Being a convert from atheism, Ross has already given an extraordinary response to God’s grace, and we pray and trust “that he, who hath begun a good work in [him], will perfect it unto the day of Christ Jesus” (Phil 1:6).

For more information about Sedevacantism, objections against it, and responses to such objections, please see our Sedevacantism topical page.

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