Francis: “Someone might think, ‘This Pope is a Heretic’…” for saying Judas Iscariot might be saved!
We all know that “Pope” Francis says the darndest things when he gives a scripted speech, but he is absolutely priceless when speaking off the cuff because it is then that his anti-Catholic mind is revealed most candidly.
The Italian Novus Ordo television station TV2000 has been running a broadcast program called Padre Nostro (“Our Father”), featuring in-depth conversations about the Lord’s Prayer with none other than “His Holiness”, Mr. Jorge Bergoglio. These have now been released as a book, Quando Pregate Dite Padre Nostro (“When you Pray, say Our Father”), and the Italian Corriere della Sera has just published an excerpt of it. A blogger at Aleteia has provided a translation, and it contains bombshells:
The pope shared a meditation on the true meaning of shame. He did so by focusing on the fates of three Biblical people who are involved in Christ’s Passion: Peter, the apostle who denied Jesus three times, and who “cries bitterly” with shame; the good thief, who feels “ashamed for being crucified next to an innocent man”; and Judas, the apostle who betrayed Jesus.
The third case, “the one that moves me most, is Judas’ shame,” the pope said.
“Judas is a difficult character to understand; there have been so many interpretations of his personality. In the end, however, when he sees what he has done, he turns to the ‘righteous,’ to the priests: ‘I have sinned: I handed over an innocent man to be killed.’ They answer him: ‘What does that matter to us? That’s your affair.’ (Matthew 27:3-10) Then he goes away with that guilt that suffocates him.”
The Pontiff invites us to imagine a different fate for Judas: “Perhaps if he had met the Virgin Mary, things would have gone differently, but the poor man goes away, doesn’t find a way out of his situation, and he went to hang himself.”
“But, there’s one thing that makes me think that Judas’ story doesn’t end there … Perhaps someone might think, ‘this pope is a heretic…’ But, no! They should go see a particular medieval capital of a column in the Basilica of St. Mary Magdalen in Vézelay, Burgundy [in France],” he said.
The Successor of Peter describes how people in the Middle Ages taught the Gospel through sculptures and paintings. “On that capital, on one side there is Judas, hanged; but on the other is the Good Shepherd who is carrying him on his shoulders and is carrying him away.”
He revealed that he has a photograph of that two-part capital behind his desk, because it helps him meditate. “There is a smile on the lips of the Good Shepherd, which I wouldn’t say is ironic, but a little bit complicit,” he describes.
“There are many ways of reacting to shame; one is to despair, but we must try to help despairing people to find the true path of shame, so they don’t go down the path that put an end to Judas’ life.”
“These three personages in Jesus’ passion help me a lot. Shame is a grace,” the pope said.
(Ary Waldir Ramos Diaz, “Pope: What would have happened if Judas had met Our Lady on his way to kill himself?”, Aleteia, Nov. 24, 2017)
It should come as no surprise that the one sinful figure in Christ’s Passion that Francis has the most compassion for — pardon, “moves” him the most — is that of the Traitor.
The Novus Ordo Sect has a love affair with Judas Iscariot, and this is not by accident. The case of Judas rains on their parade of universal salvation (“everyone will be saved”), because Judas is the only specific individual whom the New Testament reveals to be among the damned. In a sense, then, Judas embodies the very thing that the Novus Ordo Sect wants to wipe totally from your consciousness: the reality of the eternal punishment of the wicked in hell.
The devil himself they have long successfully relegated to the status of a silly myth, a cartoon-like character with a pitchfork no one needs to fear. The Superior General of the Jesuits, “Fr.” Arturo Sosa, recently stated explicitly that Satan is just a symbol of evil — something for which the otherwise so talkative Francis did not, of course, criticize him in the least.
This is not the first time that Francis has expressed himself in favor of the idea that Judas Iscariot may have been saved after all. For example, in an interview published in the German Die Zeit in March of this year, Francis insinuated that Judas might not be in hell, since, although he did not ask for forgiveness, he nevertheless “repented”. Unfortunately, the Argentinian apostate neglected to mention that Judas’ repentance was not of a supernatural kind (contrition) and therefore not able to procure for him forgiveness. The Iscariot was ashamed and sorry for what he had done, it is true — but he died in despair, taking his own life: “being hanged, [he] burst asunder in the midst: and all his bowels gushed out” (Acts 1:18; cf. Mt 27:5).
In defense of his thesis, Francis refers to an image sculpted into the column of a medieval French basilica that shows Judas hanged on one side and the Good Shepherd supposedly carrying him, on the other. He had made reference to this before, in an address at St. John Lateran on June 16, 2016, where he also spoke about Judas in the context of not judging. (A video on this in Italian can be watched here.) The depiction Francis has in mind is this one (click image to enlarge):
It is evident that the figure on the left is Judas Iscariot. But what do we see on the right? If we insist on a connection with Judas, then all we can say is that someone is carrying the body of Judas away. The man who does so does not have any striking similarity with any other depiction of Christ, and he does not carry a shepherd’s staff. It is simply Francis’ claim that he is the Good Shepherd.
Another oddity is Francis’ claim that the “Good Shepherd” smiles. Does he really? It does not look like it. What is worse is that Bergoglio then says that this smile is “a little bit complicit” — complicit in what? There is only one possibility: complicit in Judas’ crime of betraying Him! This is yet another blasphemy against our Divine Redeemer! For Francis, however, this is but par for the course.
But do we really know that Judas is in hell? Can we be sure?
We can indeed. Let us review the evidence in this regard, some of it from the sacred lips of our Lord Himself:
And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born. (Mk 14:21)
While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled. (Jn 17:12)
And praying, they said: Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas hath by transgression fallen, that he might go to his own place. (Acts 1:24-25)
Thus we see that it is divinely revealed that Judas Iscariot is in hell, and its doubt or denial therefore constitutes heresy. So, Francis is quite correct in fearing that some people might believe him to be a heretic for doubting that Judas is damned. He is quite an astute fellow, isn’t he!
The Catholic Magisterium, of course, has also spoken on the fate of the Traitor:
Some are attracted to the priesthood by ambition and love of honours; while there are others who desire to be ordained simply in order that they may abound in riches, as is proved by the fact that unless some wealthy benefice were conferred on them, they would not dream of receiving Holy Orders. It is such as these that our Saviour describes as hirelings, who, in the words of Ezechiel, feed themselves and not the sheep, and whose baseness and dishonesty have not only brought great disgrace on the ecclesiastical state, so much so that hardly anything is now more vile and contemptible in the eyes of the faithful, but also end in this, that they derive no other fruit from their priesthood than was derived by Judas from the Apostleship, which only brought him everlasting destruction.
(Catechism of the Council of Trent, “The Sacraments: Holy Orders”; underlining added.)
Judas, an Apostle of Christ, “one of the twelve,” as the Evangelists sadly observe, was led down to the abyss of iniquity precisely through the spirit of greed for earthly things.
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Ad Catholici Sacredotii, n. 49)
Whatever that column at the Basilica of St. Mary Magdalen in Vézelay may be depicting, it most certainly doesn’t trump Divine Revelation or the Catholic Magisterium. But it’s amazing to see how quickly Francis can discover the Middle Ages!
Thus Francis has revealed himself once more to be a heretic and a blasphemer, a true member of the Society of Judas!
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It’s very interesting that Judas’ damnation is actually dogma. I didn’t know that, although it makes perfect sense.
Too bad Jorge doesn’t comment on all the medieval art concerning the Sacrifice of the Mass, the eternal punishments of those who oppose the Church, etc. The guy is so devoid of any vestige of Catholicism that he cannot even act the part.
Great expose on this modernist Francis. Quote, ‘Someone might think, this Pope is a Heretic’. Only a traditional minded Catholic might think that Francis may be a heretic so we know to whom he is addressing that comment. After reading this post it brought to mind something I read years ago by JPII in his book “Crossing the Threshold of Hope”. In that book he said this: ‘It must be clear for those who accept Revelation, and in particular the Gospel, that it is better to exist than to not exist’. At that time I was a devout Novus Ordo follower and believed JPII to be the Pope, teaching from a truly Catholic perspective. My personal interpretation of ‘it is better to exist than to not exist’ was that it must mean that to exist is the only way for us to know, love and serve God and so that must be the reason JPII would make such as statement. It contradicted of course the very words of Jesus Christ regarding Judas the betrayer ‘it were better for him, if that man had not been born’. I always wished I could have asked JPII, ‘what about those souls in hell, can we say it is better for them to exist than to not exist’? Now that I know how the modernists think, it is consistent with JPII to say this because he taught universalism which states all men are saved. JPII was at least logically consistent, it fit with universalism. Francis likewise believes the same thing but is taking it one step further. He has to find some way to suggest that Judas is not in hell and was somehow saved without proper supernatural repentance. I am glad that this NOW post points out the contradictions. This will help those who are truly seeking the truth to recognize the contradictions and not be seduced by the deceitfulness of the modernists. Why doesn’t Francis come right out and admit clearly that he knows he is contradicting traditional Catholic teaching? Like Pope St. Pius X said, that is the way modernists operate, through ambiguity and obfuscation. For those who are interested in my quote from JPII it can be found on page 15 of the online document of ‘Crossing the Threshold of Hope’, however I don’t advise reading any of the writing of JPII, I’m just pointing out my source material:
For those who are interested in my saying that JPII taught all men are saved it can be found on page 25 of the following document which refers to Karol Wojtyla ‘Sign of Contradition’:
Our Lady of Sorrows pray for us, Our Lady Destroyer of Heresies, pray for us.
“It contradicted of course the very words of Jesus Christ regarding Judas the betrayer ‘it were better for him, if that man had not been born.” Yeah. If one had eternal life ahead God would never say such.
Something that you perhaps didn’t notice was Francis’s claim that Judas turned to “righteous” Rabbis.
Perhaps the most interesting aspect of the Vatican II sect, is that they constantly worship the Pharisees as holy and sacred just in and of themselves.
The whole position of the Vatican II sect on the Pharisees, is simply a reversal of the gospel. This man’s objective is only to fulfill, like Judas, the command of the Rabbis for something that they’ve promised him. Just like Roncalli, who allegedly screamed to stop the Vatican II council, it will be too late when finally, his time comes and he realises that he was nothing but a gimp for the Pharisee.
Bergog. The best soap opera yet…
If Bergog believes in salvation, ‘the cow jumped over the moon’. If Bergog believes in sinners, ‘the cow jumped over the moon’. Ergo, for Bergo to say Judas Iscariot might have salvation is as empty as saying ‘the cow jumped over the moon…and the dish ran away with the spoon’.
I agree. The entire hierarchy has fallen. The revolutionaries since 1958 have been careful to remove older prelates, causing their early retirements and not allowing them to vote in conclaves, etc. They forced everyone to comply: Ottaviani, Siri, etc.
The Church was in such dire straits during St. Pius X’s time, that he had to resort to a spy network in order to uncover modernists and remove them. The enemies have been gaining power ever since his death.
Roncalli, Montini, Luciani, Wojtyla, and Ratzinger, are all cut from the same heretical cloth.
But Jorge is their head and mouthpiece. We can all be thankful that he makes the whole scam blatantly obvious.
The reason Judas moves Francis and why he meditates on him is because Francis is just like him. He’s a traitor to his own Novus Ordo religion and yet a great number in his religion who are against him still think he is their “Catholic” pope. The column to me represents the novus ordo religion hanging itself and the devil carrying one by one the great number of those who continue to follow it to hell. It’s quite clear that Francis is completely aware of his blasphemy and heresies and it’s ridiculous that some think he is just “materially” a heretic as if he doesn’t know any better.
Even more reason to offer your Rosary for him.
I’m praying my rosary for you so that way you will have the courage to become a Catholic sedevacantist.
Again 2c3n1 said to you and asked you “We are not outsiders because we profess the Faith. Here is the key question for you….What makes you an insider when you’re rejecting the teaching and law of the Church on what makes a person a member of the Church?”
You won’t get an answer to that (lol).
Thanks for you prayers Lee, i am praying we arrive at the Truth also for you. I owe 2c3n1 and you an answer to his question which I answered some minutes ago. You will find it in the the discussion, if you do not find it I will copy paste my answer to you(it’s a long message)Please note. I want to be a Roman Catholic, that’s all, no other name needed, if Sedevacantists have it right, then they should simply refer to themselves as Roman Catholics, there would be no other name needed. God bless
Sedevacantist already believe they (including myself) are Roman Catholic. If we don’t have it right then the gates of hell have prevailed against the Church because what you believe to be the Catholic Church is an impostor, a church filled with heretical beliefs which is impossible for the Catholic Church. In fact the Catholic Church teaches:
“These matters having been treated with thorough-going exactness, we bear in mind what was promised about the holy church and him who said that the gates of hell will not prevail against it (by these we understand the death-dealing tongues of heretics); …and we count along with the devil, the father of lies, the uncontrolled tongues of heretics and their heretical writings, together with the heretics themselves who have persisted in their heresy even to death. (Second Council of Constantinople under Pope Vigilius year 553)
It’s not us sedes who need to arrive at the truth because we have it based on the teachings of the church. You need to arrive there and that’s what we are hoping and praying for. You said it yourself “I want to be Roman Catholic.” What are you waiting for, till your death bed?
Be careful never to *wish* anybody to hell. That would be genuine hatred, and we are commanded to love our neighbor as ourselves.
And your comment „a true member of the Society of Judas“ infers what if not his condemnation ?
I think his comment refers to where Bergoglio, at the present time, and during the years of his “priesthood” as a Novus Ordo-ite, has been leading souls. I don’t think the owner of this website refers to it as his final state—such that we are all subject to at our Particular Judgement; and which we can change at any moment during our lifetime through the promptings of the Holy Ghost and our co-operation with Actual Grace.
No, what I meant to convey simply was that Bergoglio is a Judas, a traitor to Christ, with this difference: Judas did it for 30 pieces of silver; Bergoglio does it for free. If he does not repent but persist in this wickedness, his lot will be the same as Judas’.
The Vatican II sect’s biggest problem is keeping the myth afloat that the Vatican II sect is a continuation of the true faith. Bergoglio in time will fully jettison the VII sect from even the veneer of tradition if left to his own devices and this will cause the VII sect to “retire” him or replace him its in the cards.
IF Judas had met the mother of Christ before he hanged himself and begged for forgiveness and was had truly repent he would have been forgiven, such is the love of God and Christ and his Mother, but he didn’t and is for sure in hell. St Paul before he was knocked from his horse persecuted Christians and God and would have gone the same way as Judas but for the grace of God. God saved St Paul, just as God can save us all. These articles outlining Pope Francis errors are very helpful but the lack Catholic charity, you are condemning the man without offering any hope. I would recommend that you finish such articles by asking your readers that We pray our Rosary for this man called Pope Francis, he needs our prayers.
Yes, he obviously needs our prayers, but so do a lot of people in this world, including the very people he misleads on a daily basis. No one ever calls for prayers for them, everyone always only thinks of Francis, the perpetrator, never of his victims. What about them? I don’t think there is a single person in the world who receives more prayers than Francis. He’s got his entire sect praying for him.
„He‘s got his entire sect praying for him“ I was born after V2 into the Roman Catholic Church, brought up to do all the things my parents did and their parents did, that’s right the ones who went to the TLM before V2. You think that suddenly the Catholic Church changed into a sect, I don’t, I think the Catholic Church is in a crisis and Lay people have been fooled, but we are waking up to this. It is thanks to knowledgeable people like yourselves for pointing out the errors that has helped me become aware of the crisis even more and I am very grateful to you for this. But I think it is uncharitable to call Catholics „members of a sect „ they are perhaps misled, they have perhaps trusted people who are not trustworthy, but what spiritual child would not trust their Father. We are growing up now and learning there is something seriously wrong, we pray for the Pope precisely because he guides so many souls. I do believe God knows what he is doing regarding this and he will never abandon his church and he will never abandon those who sincerely search for him. The Pope needs our prayers, yours and mine. God bless you and Thankyou for your good work, I will especially remember you in my Rosary tomorrow.
Read this. How many times is the word sect used? http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07256b.htm#REF_V
Why are you not asking us all to pray for the Dali Lama? He is the leader of his heretical sect.
Because the Dali Lama doesn’t claim to be The Catholic Church.
And again, as Catholics we pray for the conversion of all to The One True Faith. We do not have to repeat it to ourselves every thirty seconds. This sight and it’s readers and commenters are not concerned with what the Dali Lama proclaims on his own.
He is in error. The VII sect doesn’t see it that way. We pray for both.
Sorry Stephen. Misread as you actually asking that question. My answer still rings true for the context.
Since the Novus Ordo Church is a heretical sect, those who are its adherents are members of that sect. That’s a logical conclusion. I do not deny that there are many who are caught up in it unwittingly, but that’s a separate issue.
The Novus Ordo Church itself has admitted that it is not identical to the Church Jesus Christ founded. At Vatican II, the Novus Ordo Sect said of itself that the fullness of elements of the Church Christ founded subsist in it. That’s a very interesting claim, but the Catholic Church simply IS the Church Christ founded, and vice versa. It doesn’t exist in elements, “in” some body.
Does anyone ask for prayers for the Mohammedan Imams? Does anyone ever ask for prayers for the the Anglican “Archbishop” of Canterbury? Does anyone elicit prayers for the Greek/Russian Orthodox bishops? Does anyone ever ask for prayers for the leaders of the various Lutheran Synods? Does anyone ever ask for prayers for the various televangelists? Does anyone ever ask for prayers for the leaders of the Christian Science cult? Does anyone ever ask for prayers for the Rastafarians? Does anyone ask for rosaries to be said for the Dalai Lama (Wojtyla’s friend)?
The answer is: NO. I wonder how many rosaries Paul offers up for the above mentioned non-Catholics.
Jorge is NO DIFFERENT than the above mentioned heretics/schismatics/non-Catholics. He is NOT a Catholic. That should be plainly obvious to anyone with two brain cells to rub together.
Although there is nothing wrong for praying for these folks, there is something in Paul’s answer that suggests Jorge is a Catholic in need of our Catholic prayers. There is something not right with it. Generally, Catholics pray for the humiliation of the enemies of the Church (Litany of the Saints), and the conversion of heretics. But they are always treated as outside of the household of the faith.
oops. Sorry. I should have read further on. Someone has already coverdd the same material I just brought up. My apologies.
I’ve been reading NOW for over 2 years. Maybe when I was first researching did I find this or other informative sites on the sedevacantist position to be uncharitable as you have stated numerous times in your posts. Over a very short time I understood that the administrators and most commenters were just sharing truth and opinions from a truly Catholic perspective. With facts in hand it became obvious that the VII sect and it’s usurpers were the uncharitable ones. The fact that we here share the One True Faith automatically tells you that we should be praying for all. We don’t need to proclaim it every single time. Some add their prayer to the post or comment and some don’t. A reminder once in awhile is nice but you persist even when assured of prayer. I came from Novus Ordo. I read,inform myself and pray for guidance. I pray you’ll do the same.
Here you state what charity actually IS and it is NOT kindness. True charity is first the love of God and sharing His Truth with our neighbor.
I never mentioned kindness. I was referring to a need to offer hope, also for the soul of Pope Francis. Do you Sedevacantists pray for these men you see as your enemy? or do you just delight in judging them? What did our Lord say we should do? Surely a man who has influence over so many souls should be prayed for.
We hear & see what the head of the VII Sect says & we condemn it as non-Catholic. Only God judges the interior of a man’s soul. We pray for him to convert as we pray for all non-Catholics to convert. Because of Holy Mother Church’s Teaching on the Primacy of Peter, it is beyond tragic to declare Francis as the Vicar of Christ, for the Authority of that office comes from Christ Himself. That Authority of which it is impossible for Francis to possess.
Thanks, I read , I pray for guidance but I don’t condemn people
We don’t condemn people. What is condemned is their actions. I can’t single handedly get to every person stuck in the VII sect and but I will help those I can to find their way toThe One True Faith. which is not what they think it is. Siobhan is absolutely correct. You didn’t have to say “kindness”. It is already understood. Especially when the buzz word “hope” is used. It is just a watered down version of Catholicism also known as protestantism. Correction is harsh and the VII sect exists because they do not want to be corrected. Our Lord coddled no one. That, is true love for a soul.
“you have opened my eyes to many errors of those men who have been put in charge of the Catholic Church.” Again, very telling words, carefully constructed.
Just what are those errors, and just who are those leaders, Paul?
Remember, you cannot judge!
We must judge what is right and wrong, but we don’t get to judge if an elected Pope is the Pope…that is not our jurisdiction, that’s a blessing, a grace from God. My advice get back in the One True Faith, stop acting like you get to judge who is Pope and who isn’t, a good Pope has clearly told you you don’t get to decide that.
“We must judge what is right and wrong,”
The ultimate Judge is the pope. All other judges are inferior to his judgement. Therefore, if you are saying that you can judge what is right and what is wrong with Jorge, you are saying (if you were consistent with Catholicism) that Jorge is NOT the pope.
The pope is the final say. Period. There can be no judging right and wrong in Jorge’s teaching and actions, if Jorge is the pope. You must accept the New Mass, You must accept Religious Liberty, you must accept ecumenism, you must accept Amoris Laetitia, you must accept the doctrine that capital punishment is wrong, You must accept the practice of giving communion to non-catholics, you must accept John XXIII and JP II as Saints, etc.
My advice if for you to find a website that is in conformity to your religious system, whatever it is called. Try that Vortex guy.
Mr Ardziv , may I ask where does St Augustine write this about the Jews.
The one constant of the Vatican II popes is their search for meaning. I believe most if not all of them have a closeness to Free Masonry’s ideas on God and not Catholicism . True Popes believed that if it is tradition then say no more, the Vat.II popes don’t have that luxury.
wouldn’t this objectively prove pertinacity, once again? Frances always calling himself a heretic.
It shows he does not give a rat’s rear end about preserving the true faith handed down to us from the apostles and through the Catholic Church.
He does not care if he is a heretic, because he does not believe in the concept of a heretic. He is a true Modernist (Agnostic and Immanentistic). Therefore, for him, there is no truth to which we must conform. We are all groping in the dark to find something that fits what we want to believe about God. We get in touch with certain emotional urgings which are God’s way of speaking to us. Thus ALL RELIGIONS ARE VALID, and Proselytism is wrong.
The people who need your prayers more than anyone you can imagine, even the greatest of sinners or false popes: The souls in Purgatory. Always pray for the souls in Purgatory. They are Poor Souls. Always. always. always.
We all need to be in the state of grace in order to help them. Always
They are surely our fellow Catholics.
Would denying that Judas is in hell be “heretical”? Or could it be lesser error?
Also I feel the Vatican just “trolls” traditionalists and they take the bait, I’m not sure if these things are heretical (but I do believe they are clearly promoting the heresies/errors trads think they are).
So I was going to look up if the Church really taught Judas is in hell, because I thought I had seen another teaching that the Church only teaches that some are in heaven (canonized saints) but says nothing of those definitely damned, and I found this:
In fact, the Catholic Church does not teach that even Judas is damned to
hell. “Even though he went to hang himself (cf. Mt. 27:5), it is not up
to us to judge his gesture, substituting ourselves for the infinitely
merciful and just God.”
These were among the astounding statements that Pope Benedict XVI made
to the Church and the world during his general audience in St. Peter’s
Square on Oct. 18. http://www.thedivinemercy.org/news/Christs-Betrayal-and-Divine-Mercy-2455
So Benedict XVI said same thing before Francis.
“Bp.” Barron also: https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/are-there-souls-in-hell-right-now “We can’t see fully to the depths of anyone’s heart; only God can. Accordingly, we can’t declare with utter certitude that anyone—even Judas, even Hitler—has chosen definitively to lock the door against the divine love.”
I would probably need to do more research to confirm these as wrong but Rorate Caeli reports similar to this article on Judas definitively being damned: https://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2015/03/damned-lies-on-destiny-of-judas-iscariot.html
So it seems Catholic Tradition teaches Judas is damned.
However “pope” Francis is “trolling” by saying: ““Someone might think, ‘This Pope is a Heretic’…” for saying Judas Iscariot might be saved”” because he is correctly suggesting that someone might think a person a heretic for saying that, but he himself is not saying that. They always use this evasive language which makes it hard to pin down that they actually spoke or taught heresy. So if you said, “someone would think I’m a heretic for saying that”, you are not yourself saying you believe in such a thing, and are not a heretic. Clearly he is leading people to believe the opposite of a Catholic understanding, but they often evade clearly teaching this, they just hint at it, suggest it, are ambiguous about what they mean, all of that. So it makes it difficult to definitively show they are a heretic, teaching heresy.
Jorge said “there is no Catholic God,” so what difference does it make? For him there is no such thing as heresy. God is the author of all religions. All religions are good. Proselytism is evil.
Jorge is an atheistic, Free Masonic HUMANIST.