Francis: “Someone might think, ‘This Pope is a Heretic’…” for saying Judas Iscariot might be saved!
We all know that “Pope” Francis says the darndest things when he gives a scripted speech, but he is absolutely priceless when speaking off the cuff because it is then that his anti-Catholic mind is revealed most candidly.
The Italian Novus Ordo television station TV2000 has been running a broadcast program called Padre Nostro (“Our Father”), featuring in-depth conversations about the Lord’s Prayer with none other than “His Holiness”, Mr. Jorge Bergoglio. These have now been released as a book, Quando Pregate Dite Padre Nostro (“When you Pray, say Our Father”), and the Italian Corriere della Sera has just published an excerpt of it. A blogger at Aleteia has provided a translation, and it contains bombshells:
The pope shared a meditation on the true meaning of shame. He did so by focusing on the fates of three Biblical people who are involved in Christ’s Passion: Peter, the apostle who denied Jesus three times, and who “cries bitterly” with shame; the good thief, who feels “ashamed for being crucified next to an innocent man”; and Judas, the apostle who betrayed Jesus.
The third case, “the one that moves me most, is Judas’ shame,” the pope said.
“Judas is a difficult character to understand; there have been so many interpretations of his personality. In the end, however, when he sees what he has done, he turns to the ‘righteous,’ to the priests: ‘I have sinned: I handed over an innocent man to be killed.’ They answer him: ‘What does that matter to us? That’s your affair.’ (Matthew 27:3-10) Then he goes away with that guilt that suffocates him.”
The Pontiff invites us to imagine a different fate for Judas: “Perhaps if he had met the Virgin Mary, things would have gone differently, but the poor man goes away, doesn’t find a way out of his situation, and he went to hang himself.”
“But, there’s one thing that makes me think that Judas’ story doesn’t end there … Perhaps someone might think, ‘this pope is a heretic…’ But, no! They should go see a particular medieval capital of a column in the Basilica of St. Mary Magdalen in Vézelay, Burgundy [in France],” he said.
The Successor of Peter describes how people in the Middle Ages taught the Gospel through sculptures and paintings. “On that capital, on one side there is Judas, hanged; but on the other is the Good Shepherd who is carrying him on his shoulders and is carrying him away.”
He revealed that he has a photograph of that two-part capital behind his desk, because it helps him meditate. “There is a smile on the lips of the Good Shepherd, which I wouldn’t say is ironic, but a little bit complicit,” he describes.
“There are many ways of reacting to shame; one is to despair, but we must try to help despairing people to find the true path of shame, so they don’t go down the path that put an end to Judas’ life.”
“These three personages in Jesus’ passion help me a lot. Shame is a grace,” the pope said.
(Ary Waldir Ramos Diaz, “Pope: What would have happened if Judas had met Our Lady on his way to kill himself?”, Aleteia, Nov. 24, 2017)
It should come as no surprise that the one sinful figure in Christ’s Passion that Francis has the most compassion for — pardon, “moves” him the most — is that of the Traitor.
The Novus Ordo Sect has a love affair with Judas Iscariot, and this is not by accident. The case of Judas rains on their parade of universal salvation (“everyone will be saved”), because Judas is the only specific individual whom the New Testament reveals to be among the damned. In a sense, then, Judas embodies the very thing that the Novus Ordo Sect wants to wipe totally from your consciousness: the reality of the eternal punishment of the wicked in hell.
The devil himself they have long successfully relegated to the status of a silly myth, a cartoon-like character with a pitchfork no one needs to fear. The Superior General of the Jesuits, “Fr.” Arturo Sosa, recently stated explicitly that Satan is just a symbol of evil — something for which the otherwise so talkative Francis did not, of course, criticize him in the least.
This is not the first time that Francis has expressed himself in favor of the idea that Judas Iscariot may have been saved after all. For example, in an interview published in the German Die Zeit in March of this year, Francis insinuated that Judas might not be in hell, since, although he did not ask for forgiveness, he nevertheless “repented”. Unfortunately, the Argentinian apostate neglected to mention that Judas’ repentance was not of a supernatural kind (contrition) and therefore not able to procure for him forgiveness. The Iscariot was ashamed and sorry for what he had done, it is true — but he died in despair, taking his own life: “being hanged, [he] burst asunder in the midst: and all his bowels gushed out” (Acts 1:18; cf. Mt 27:5).
In defense of his thesis, Francis refers to an image sculpted into the column of a medieval French basilica that shows Judas hanged on one side and the Good Shepherd supposedly carrying him, on the other. He had made reference to this before, in an address at St. John Lateran on June 16, 2016, where he also spoke about Judas in the context of not judging. (A video on this in Italian can be watched here.) The depiction Francis has in mind is this one (click image to enlarge):
It is evident that the figure on the left is Judas Iscariot. But what do we see on the right? If we insist on a connection with Judas, then all we can say is that someone is carrying the body of Judas away. The man who does so does not have any striking similarity with any other depiction of Christ, and he does not carry a shepherd’s staff. It is simply Francis’ claim that he is the Good Shepherd.
Another oddity is Francis’ claim that the “Good Shepherd” smiles. Does he really? It does not look like it. What is worse is that Bergoglio then says that this smile is “a little bit complicit” — complicit in what? There is only one possibility: complicit in Judas’ crime of betraying Him! This is yet another blasphemy against our Divine Redeemer! For Francis, however, this is but par for the course.
But do we really know that Judas is in hell? Can we be sure?
We can indeed. Let us review the evidence in this regard, some of it from the sacred lips of our Lord Himself:
And the Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed. It were better for him, if that man had not been born. (Mk 14:21)
While I was with them, I kept them in thy name. Those whom thou gavest me have I kept; and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition, that the scripture may be fulfilled. (Jn 17:12)
And praying, they said: Thou, Lord, who knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, to take the place of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas hath by transgression fallen, that he might go to his own place. (Acts 1:24-25)
Thus we see that it is divinely revealed that Judas Iscariot is in hell, and its doubt or denial therefore constitutes heresy. So, Francis is quite correct in fearing that some people might believe him to be a heretic for doubting that Judas is damned. He is quite an astute fellow, isn’t he!
The Catholic Magisterium, of course, has also spoken on the fate of the Traitor:
Some are attracted to the priesthood by ambition and love of honours; while there are others who desire to be ordained simply in order that they may abound in riches, as is proved by the fact that unless some wealthy benefice were conferred on them, they would not dream of receiving Holy Orders. It is such as these that our Saviour describes as hirelings, who, in the words of Ezechiel, feed themselves and not the sheep, and whose baseness and dishonesty have not only brought great disgrace on the ecclesiastical state, so much so that hardly anything is now more vile and contemptible in the eyes of the faithful, but also end in this, that they derive no other fruit from their priesthood than was derived by Judas from the Apostleship, which only brought him everlasting destruction.
(Catechism of the Council of Trent, “The Sacraments: Holy Orders”; underlining added.)
Judas, an Apostle of Christ, “one of the twelve,” as the Evangelists sadly observe, was led down to the abyss of iniquity precisely through the spirit of greed for earthly things.
(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Ad Catholici Sacredotii, n. 49)
Whatever that column at the Basilica of St. Mary Magdalen in Vézelay may be depicting, it most certainly doesn’t trump Divine Revelation or the Catholic Magisterium. But it’s amazing to see how quickly Francis can discover the Middle Ages!
Thus Francis has revealed himself once more to be a heretic and a blasphemer, a true member of the Society of Judas!