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The Vatican II Sect and President-Elect Trump

On Nov. 8, 2016, Donald J. Trump was elected the 45th president of the United States of America. Since Francis is not only the Vatican II Church’s pretend-Pope but also the de facto head of state of Vatican City, diplomatic relations between the two countries will inevitably be affected one way or another.

It was clear to anyone who could read between the lines — or, sometimes, even just the lines themselves — that Trump wasn’t exactly Francis’ favored candidate. We remember especially the brilliant comment Francis made in February of this year about Trump’s expressed intent to build a wall at the border to stop the flow of illegal immigration into the United States from Mexico:

The great irony here was, of course, that Francis himself, dwelling in Vatican City, lives behind what are perhaps the entire world’s biggest walls surrounding any country.

So, how will the “build the wall” president-elect and the hypocritical “tear down all walls” Pope-pretender get along? Below we have collected a number of current news articles and blog posts regarding the Novus Ordo Church and the future President Trump and some related issues.

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39 Responses to “The Vatican II Sect and President-Elect Trump”

  1. Tom Healey

    Francis, – building a wall in your soul to keep Christ out, is ‘”not Christian”‘. You must ask the Holy Spirit to give you the Sanctifying Graces to break down the wall, erected by your ghastly pride, that separates you from Christ and His church.

    • Tom Healey

      It’s the long range goal of the George Soros globalists to break down the walls of sovereign nations, making them vulnerable to a take over by one world government. This is what’s happening in Europe with the influx of Islamic migrants from Africa and the Middle East, which Francis approves of. And he wants to see the same thing happen on the U.S. southern border with Mexico.

      • ClareB

        This topic wasn’t brought up in the [Catholic] articles above. And the words “illegal” as opposed to “legal” immigration were missing as was “law and order”. The American majority voted out de facto immigration and voted out a de facto candidate, criminal Hillary Clinton… so I guess that will tend to position the de facto pope and his cronies out in the cold. This election was a defeat for the globalists’ social justice programs and propaganda: I am looking forward to seeing how their operations will be dried up.

    • Tom A.

      Tom. I am replying to you on this site because Steve Skojec banned me on his site. I enjoyed your last post where you asked if I was a sede? I dont know the answer to that question, but like you I find a much more logical and reasonable position in Novus Ordo Watch and find mostly cherry picked facts and false assumptions on 1P5. It is simply a time of great confusion and all opinions should be respected.

  2. wynnejj

    Re: “Priest slammed for using dead baby as ‘political prop’ (Catholic News Agency)” suggests that Father Pavone desecrated the altar … apparently not the case as it was filmed in his office supposedly.

    Speaking of desecration of the altar …
    What’s the difference between these two statements of Roman Missal 2nd & 3rd editions?
    (1) by the power of the Holy Spirit, he was born of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
    (2) and by the Holy Spirit was incarnate of the Virgin Mary, and became man.
    Answer: About nine months!

  3. Herman_U_Tick

    Thomas a Beckett lived a worldly and unspiritual life until Henry the second appointed him to be archbishop, thinking to have an ecclesiastical stooge to help him rule in his own fashion.
    Instead, the grace of office inspired Thomas to amend his life and eventually become a martyr.

    I shall pray for Mr Trump.

      • Mike S Clifford

        The American “moral majority” doesn’t have a leg to stand on because they’re either Protestant or Neo-Protestant (Vatican 2)

        • ClareB

          Still, those two religions leaned toward “pro-life” and voted for Trump. “Neo-Protestant (Vatican II)”, sounds just right. It gets rid of the cumbersome details. Hat tip to you.

          • Mike S Clifford

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9f4bf80590d549c3c3cb19f36ecc13da39083f6bdf0a54092fba4bb8b97a570.jpg

            Yeah. Sure. Makes sense. Not.

            I know it feels good to think “we the people” elected Trump and “took the power back” from the establishment but the truth is “we the people” never had the power. We don’t elect our “leaders”. Even the “electoral colleges” don’t elect our “leaders”. The Illuminati-controlled Freemasons select them for us via their control of the “electoral colleges”. The “campaigns”, “debates”, and “elections” are all a charade. It’s not just here. It’s all over the world. People like Trump, Soros, the Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers put people like the Bushes, the Clintons, and Obama in power.

            Trump’s 1 of them. He’s a Zionist. He has a Novus Ordo “wife”, a Jewish son, and a Jewish daughter-in-law.

            The Illuminati have instigated every revolution-and-post-war by their own admission. Trumps a step toward the brink. Hillary would’ve been a bigger step toward the brink.

          • Mike S Clifford

            This time they did but I don’t think pro-life had anything to do with it.

          • ClareB

            Yes, so you have stated from your comment below. I have up arrowed corvinus’ comments on that account. In my opinion, you are conflating the globalists with ‘common, decent’ Americans who have been despising the front man Obama for 8 years…the ‘people’ had the ‘monster vote’ in their camp to defeat the minority elitists…a major power shift.
            P.S. I’m going to wait and see how Trump’s ecumenical family plays out.

          • Mike S Clifford

            Lemme know how that works out for you. He’s already come out and said he wants Palestine off the map and is siding with Israel. Israel make Nazi Germany look like nothing.

  4. corvinus

    IMO the election of Trump was only due to God’s infinite mercy on this country. We need to pray, for our country, for ourselves, and for our next President, Donald J. Trump, that we all do the right thing and nudge our society back on the path toward our real King, Jesus Christ.

    We sure as he– wouldn’t be able to do this if Hillary Clinton had been elected and stacking the Supreme Court and ramming through anti-Catholic legislation, believe me!

        • Mike S Clifford

          Trump’s a heretic. He wasn’t chosen by God. He wasn’t elected by the “voters”. He was selected by the Illuminati via its “electoral college” to give George Soros a platform to hire these “protesters” to orchestrate these riots. Hence the problem. And when Trump takes office, we’ll see his “reaction” and “solution”. Hence the Hegelian method of problem-reaction-solution.

          • corvinus

            Yeah, sure. Makes total sense. Not.

            Look, I know it’s hard to believe, but the Illuminati don’t run everything. Their stupid philosophy has proven to be unsustainable. Over the long term, the Masonic lodges are literally dying out, unlike in the days of John XXIII and JFK when they were at their peak. Instead, their younger servants replacing them are a bunch of illogical zombies who are all emotion and no brains. When the enemy is literally dumbing down, it’s a much better situation for a Catholic revival. In fact, I suspect the Antichrist will be the enemy’s last hurrah before progtardery collapses for good.

            Or do you really think we’d be better off under Hillary? Under her, your priest would likely be arrested once a gay couple pesters him for a marriage certificate and he refuses. And you would have to forget about homeschooling.

            The Illuminati got overconfident, and events have kicked them in the nuts this
            year. Trump is a reprieve, a small step back from the brink, and we’d
            better pray for the guy.

          • Mike S Clifford

            Yeah. Sure. Makes sense. Not.

            I know it feels good to think “we the people” elected Trump and “took the power back” from the establishment but the truth is “we the people” never had the power. We don’t elect our “leaders”. Even the “electoral colleges” don’t elect our “leaders”. The Illuminati-controlled Freemasons select them for us via their control of the “electoral colleges”. The “campaigns”, “debates”, and “elections” are all a charade. It’s not just here. It’s all over the world. People like Trump, Soros, the Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers put people like the Bushes, the Clintons, and Obama in power.

            Trump’s 1 of them. He’s a Zionist. He has a Novus Ordo “wife”, a Jewish son, and a Jewish daughter-in-law.

            The Illuminati have instigated every revolution-and-post-war by their own admission. Trumps a step toward the brink. Hillary would’ve been a bigger step toward the brink.

          • Mike S Clifford

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/d9f4bf80590d549c3c3cb19f36ecc13da39083f6bdf0a54092fba4bb8b97a570.jpg

            Yeah. Sure. Makes total sense. Not.

            I know it feels good to think “we the people” elected Trump and “took the power back” from the establishment but the truth is “we the people” never had the power. We don’t elect our “leaders”. Even the “electoral colleges” don’t elect our “leaders”. The Illuminati-controlled Freemasons select them for us via their control of the “electoral colleges”. The “campaigns”, “debates”, and “elections” are all a charade. It’s not just here. It’s all over the world. People like Trump, Soros, the Rothschilds, and the Rockefellers put people like the Bushes, the Clintons, and Obama in power.

            Trump’s 1 of them. He’s a Zionist. He has a Novus Ordo “wife”, a Jewish son, and a Jewish daughter-in-law.

            The Illuminati have instigated every revolution-and-post-war by their own admission. Trumps a step toward the brink. I grant you that Hillary would’ve been a bigger step toward the brink.

          • corvinus

            Despair is a sin, you know.

            Sit back and wallow in your Illuminati-control-EVERYTHING-and-we’re-doomed attitude and let the rest of us at least TRY to fix what we can.

          • Mike S Clifford

            Despair as in that of Judas is a mortal sin. Realism, as in not wearing the rose-colored glasses, is not. I’ll be ready to fight back when Martial “Law” gets declared and the soviet-styled police state comes. Will you?

          • ClareB

            Those bullet points need to be taken with a grain of salt…that is, it should be apparent to you that much further qualification is needed for them to be helpful.

          • Mike S Clifford

            You’ve been successfully brainwashed. You might as well just go join the Vatican 2 Sect.

          • Mike S Clifford

            The United States is Masonic in origin. Its flags flew over slave ships for 85 years before slavery got “abolished”. The American “Civil” War was never about slavery. It was about money and power. It only became about slavery as a political movement to get more soldiers because the Union was losing to the Confederacy. Pope Pius IX had a very good reason for sending his salutations to Jefferson Davis while snubbing Lincoln.

            The 13th Amendment never really did away with slavery. It just replaced the overt form of slavery with a covert form of slavery.

            Big Pharma companies only care about keeping people on their drugs to keep the money coming in.

            The public school system’s just a propaganda machine.

            The mainstream media are controlled by the TLC and the CFR, both of which are controlled by the Illuminati.

            You “vote” doesn’t matter. The “electoral college” picks the presidents.
            The police and military exist for power and control, not safety.
            No true Christian, that is, Catholic, can support either political party because their platforms contradict what the Church teaches.
            All politicians are crooks. They’ve always been. It’s just more out in the open now.

          • ClareB

            OK. Secular worldly politics is never careful and can never
            avoid errors. But at least we are aware of it, even though we draw different
            conclusions.

          • Mike S Clifford

            For a conversion of North America, we’d have to dismantle the United States, burn its Freemasonic “Declaration of Independence” and its Freemasonic “Constitution”, install a true Christian, that is, Catholic, monarchy with a distributist economy, suppress all false religions, and outlaw the presence of all socialists, communists, fascists, authoritarianists, and totalitarianists under the penalty of execution, which has been Doctrinally defended by the Roman Catechism of the Council of Trent and I don’t think the Church has the numbers necessary to perform such a task!

          • Novus Ordo Watch

            That would not be a conversion but civil war. Let’s not reinvent the wheel here. Patriotism – love of country – is still a virtue, even if the country isn’t a Catholic nation. The Catholic Church existed quite well in our nation long before Vatican II ever came around, and Pope St. Pius X permitted the American Catholic bishops (at their request) to put the Stars and Stripes into the Catholic sanctuary, in gratitude for the freedom enjoyed by the Church (back then).

            Yes, the constitution of the United States is full of philosophical and theological errors, which can in no wise be approved by a Catholic. They can, however, be tolerated, and always were. What you’re proposing, as far as I can tell, is essentially a revolution against legitimate government to bring about a Catholic state.That, per Catholic teaching, would be a mortal sin. The right way to do it would be to wait until a large majority of the nation is Catholic and then recognize Christ the King in the constitution and make whatever other changes need to be made. This would ensure that no great disturbance would result.

          • Mike S Clifford

            A conversion of the United States is next to impossible because of its Masonic origins. It would have to be born again as I just described. In the case of a Christian in the United States, the “patriotism” you refer to is false because of its Masonic origins. I’m getting a sede vacante flag when I find 1 online. I already have my Rebel Flag. I’m sure Pope St. Pius X was wary even after allowing his American bishops to put such a Masonic flag in their chapels.

            No Christian, if he wants to stay a Christian, can believe the “Declaration of Independence” or the “Constitution”, both of which admit that writes don’t come from some man or some worthless piece of paper, because it’s filled with Masonry. Nor can he approve or tolerate its heresies and apostasies. Nor can he, if he wants to stay a Christian, regard such a government, founded in the aftermath of a war fought under false pretenses fabricated by Protestant and Deist Masons, as legitimate. Nor can he support republics, democracies, capitalism, socialism, communism, fascism, authoritarianism, and/or totalitarianism. He can only support a Christian, that is, Catholic, distributist monarchy.

          • Novus Ordo Watch

            False. It’s simply false. I’ve said it before: A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. Again, we have to go by what the Church teaches (before Vatican II, obviously). There are plenty of papal encyclicals that mention Catholicism in the United States (such as Pope Leo XIII’s “Longinqua” of 1895). The American government is not illegitimate for not being a Catholic government. That’s ridiculous. Heavens, Pope Leo XIII made clear that even the French government of his day was legitimate:
            http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo13/l13cst.htm
            Do not go beyond what the Church teaches. Let it be enough for you.

          • Mike S Clifford

            True knowledge is true power. False “knowledge” is false “power”. The United States government is illegitimate for being founded by means of theft and deceit. It’s been nothing but trouble eversince the Freemasons founded it. Nothing good can come from it until it’s cleansed from its original sin and I already described the only way it can ever be born again. My politics are perfectly in line with Church teaching. People with your political leanings might as well go join the Vatican 2 Antichurch if they haven’t done so already.

          • Mike S Clifford

            When you say pre-Vatican II theologians and popes you heretically imply that there were post-Vatican-2 theologians and popes. I read that whole encyclical you sent me the link to. None of that defense what you claim to be the legitimacy of the United States. The United States founded by means of fraud and theft by Freemasons as part of a plan for world domination. The European countries weren’t. They actually have some history to be proud of. The United States doesn’t. Again, you’re exhibiting false “patriotism”. You might as well just go join the Vatican 2 Antichurch.

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