How’s that for the “mark of the beast”!
BEAST:
Novus Ordo “Be A Saint” Campaign uses telling Acronym
You can’t make this stuff up: A prominent Novus Ordo adherent has launched an apparel campaign with a logo that is supposedly meant to encourage people, especially youth, to become saints. The acronym the campaign is using as the logo for its apparel is — we kid you not — “BEAST”. It is allegedly short for “Be A Saint”, i.e. “Be A St.” The logo is displayed above.
The celebrity co-founder of the BEAST campaign is Luke Vercollone, an American soccer player, who is described on the official web site as a “practicing Catholic with a passion for the Bible, ecumenism and Christian unity” (source).
Here are are some images of the advertising for the BEAST clothes line:
The official web site at which this blasphemous-demonic junk can be purchased is beast4christ.com, and their Facebook page is likewise named “Beast 4 Christ”. Think about this for a minute! And yet their promo slogan is, “Live the Gospel boldly!” With St. Paul we ask: “And what concord hath Christ with Belial?” (2 Cor 6:15). This is absurdity on stilts!
By all means, be a saint, and make campaigns to promote authentic sanctity among Catholics young and old. But for heaven’s sake, don’t use “BEAST” as your eye-catching acronym! For those who may need a refresher, Chapter 13 of the Apocalypse should suffice. To use “BEAST” apparel as your sanctity promo gimmick is just totally wrong. Being a beast, as it were, is the exact opposite of being a saint.
In this manner, the word “beast” is being associated in people’s minds with (supposed) sainthood. One of the long-term effects of this will be that the insurmountable barrier that exists between holiness and wickedness will gradually be dissolved, the line between right and wrong will be blurred; and people, especially the young, will begin to call evil good, and good evil: “Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil: that put darkness for light, and light for darkness: that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter” (Is 5:20). If one day there will be “Satanists for Life”, people won’t think anything of it.
Only in the Novus Ordo would people buy and sell clothing that displays the word “BEAST” and think themselves to be promoting Catholic sanctity. But can we assume that the creators of this are really innocent? At a time when monuments to Satan are being erected and clubs are being started in schools to get children to worship the devil, it is difficult to see how this could be nothing more than a good-faith mistake.
“And he shall make all, both little and great, rich and poor, freemen and bondmen, to have a character in their right hand, or on their foreheads” (Apoc 13:16).
The mark of the beast, when it comes, will be worn by these people like a badge of honor. And don’t think this means we believe all who wear this to be of evil intent. No, most of them are probably simply absolutely clueless and deceived. But we must remember that most of those who will do the work of Antichrist are what are loosely called “good people”. Fr. Frederick Faber once warned that this fact would contribute greatly to the deceptive power of the Antichrist:
We must remember that if all the manifestly good men were on one side and all the manifestly bad men on the other, there would be no danger of anyone, least of all the elect, being deceived by lying wonders. It is the good men, good once, we must hope good still, who are to do the work of Anti-Christ and so sadly to crucify the Lord afresh…. Bear in mind this feature of the last days, that this deceitfulness arises from good men being on the wrong side.
(Fr. Frederick Faber, Sermon for Pentecost Sunday, 1861; qtd. in Fr. Denis Fahey, The Mystical Body of Christ in the Modern World [text here]; underlining added.)
Regardless of intentions, there is nothing Catholic left in these people… They seriously think that by declaring themselves to be “beasts” for Christ, they can embark on a journey toward holiness? What is next? Demons for Jesus? Devils for God? It is unbelievable.
Folks, whoever isn’t awake now, is dead.
Spread this far and wide.
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As oxymoronic as “Coexist” bumper-stickers
To compare these two things are ridiculous.
Amen….& just as annoying!
Amen…& just as irksome!
Perhaps those Peaceniks should Coexist
with ISIS, if they ever leave LaLa land.
There is so much wrong with this one could write pages. There are innumerable ways people are trying to make “Christianity” cool these days with Chrissstian Rock, and all kinds of blending of worldliness with some sort of Chrissstian theme. It is sickening. This is just another example of blasphemously treating a holy idea (being a saint) with a devilish name and a cool, modern, worldly slogan. In my opinion, it is against the first commandment.
I wonder what this practicing, pious, ecumenical “Catholic” thinks about Mortalium Animos of Pius XI.
What I find interesting about how the NO has gone since Bergoglio took over is that they now deliberately put out these satanic messages, which are obvious to real Catholics but to which the NOite “faithful” are largely oblivious. It’s like they’re gearing up – and definitely thumbing their noses at those of us effectively shut out of our own Churches.
I suppose it’s not unreasonable for the Satanists to think that they are on a winning streak at the moment (though, of course, it can’t last).
I’ve seen stupid before but this takes the cake. Wait a sec, I forgot about altar girls. Oh, and there’s the Assisi Events. And, Francis “suggestion that Jesus Christ sinned and probably had to “apologize” to his parents for staying behind in Jerusalem, his outrageous contention that the Blessed Mother may have entertained blasphemous thoughts about God deceiving her, his scandalous claim that we need not fear the Last Judgment because it will be a cakewalk, and his insinuation that the Immaculate Virgin had flaws.”
Forget about it. The entire novus ordo establishment is STUPID!
That Fr. Faber quote seems out of place. Are we to suppose ‘good men’ conceived of this? The ‘clueless’ clause is wearing thin. And, honestly, ‘good men on the wrong side’ is oxymoronic. Goodness and ignorance – are they the same?
No more sympathy for the devil or his useful idiots – clueless or otherwise. Prayers, yes. Sympathy, no.
I think what he meant to say is that there will be people of good will on both sides, both trying to do the right thing. And this is what will help to deceive people, that there are people evidently trying to serve God who will be doing the work of the Antichrist. Remember, the Antichrist is going to bring about a DECEPTION, a deception so cunning that even the elect would be deceived if God did not prevent it (cf. Mt 24:24). Now obvoiusly Fr. Faber wasn’t talking about this “beast” stuff. This is too evident. I just used the quote to demonstrate that this cannot be excused on the grounds that people who wear this are of good will.
Oh well. In plain terms, ‘there will be useful idiots’.
Well, I would be careful not to make everyone who is deceived by the Antichrist into an idiot. This will not be the case — the deception will be massive and very convincing. It is nothing but GRACE that will keep the elect from being deceived, not our own works. Let us pray for this grace!
I guess I made the assumption that most folks know it is a Marxist phrase for folks with sincere intentions, the likes of which, are easily co-opted by evil antichrist hegemonic authorities (or would-be authorities), and that such ideological big heads are more than happy to exploit the sincerity of the ‘useful’.
PS. “A communist is someone who reads Marx; an anti-communist is someone who understands Marx.”
I have to agree , the veneer of “good will” is a definite tool of the demonic. I’ve heard passionate pleas for the ‘right of abortion ” by tree hugging, animal rights, and pro alternate lifestyle liberal Protestants that could fool the elect if it were possible. What is comes down to is if you put enough sugar in the belladonna potion it goes down quite easy to the lukewarm. Christians should be good stewards of the environment but it shouldn’t be worshiped , The care and well being of animals has always been a Catholic virtue but to go above the law and commit violence is not. ( although being an animal lover I’ve been tempted to use my size 10’s placed in the right spot against abusers rather then summon the authorities .) I believe Catholics have been given the gift of discernment , a good test is to turn on EWTN and see how fast you say to yourself “Well that’s not right’ it doesn’t take to long for a Catholic to say that.
It reminds me of when Michael Jackson sang the song “you know I’m bad” as if bad were good and cool. “Woe to you that call evil good, and good evil.” Is. 5:20 as N.O.W pointed out. The Novus ordo religion which has usurped the name catholic is the beast.
I don’t actually think that they’re trying to attract anyone to anything. That’s not the point of this kind of performance.
It maybe partly commercial. But I think also it plays into this notion of “relevance.” If only the church were more “hip.” Only more in tune with the attitudes and styles of modern youth. Is Islam “in tune?” Islam represents total repudiation of Western modern culture and its attitudes. And yet European youth is flocking to its ranks. Whilst deserting the novus ordo temples.
Definitely commercial, but the whole “relevance” thing suggests good will, which I don’t believe the NO hierarchy to have. It is fully their intention to destroy the Catholic Church.
Well our “good” and their “good” are two different things!! They believe they are giving birth to a modern, tolerant, socially advanced church more in tune with Jesus’s deepest intentions(even though He was totally unaware of it!). Naturally they don’t believe Jesus is the Jesus as presented in Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition. The “historical” Jesus is a question mark for them that they are called to “fill in” and repackaged for the present moment and in line with their “enlightened” ,progressive conception of what his purpose was. I agree they have always been part of a group that wished to deconstruct, destroy the true Catholic Church and replace it with a desecrated institution reflecting all the errors of the past and present. Pax et salus.
I think you give them too much credit.
Fellow Christians … we must be reminded of the new evangelization and reaching people where they are at. We are ALL called to be saints. I think this logo is a good reminder to millennials of our universal call to holiness. Of course we are all aware of the passage “Mark of the beast.” Be careful not to fall into fundamentalism and label this brand anarchy right away due to a literal interpretation. The modern definition of “beast” means something completely different in our culture than in biblical times. “Beast” now means “Fierce” and we are certainly called to live our faith ferociously, boldly! If you would like to take the scriptural interpretation of the word “beast” in the entire context of the Bible, please also consider the verse: “Now ask the BEASTS to teach you … the hand of God has done this.” – Job 12:7
There are so many edifying ways to promote genuine sanctity. Running around with “BEAST” logos is not one of them, especially not in the context of our culture and society.
Yes, Catholics are certainly meant to live their faith with intensity. However, the word “beast” has certain connotation in Catholicism that makes it practically impossible to use for the purpose you are intending. For example:
“Man degenerates when he acts in an irrational manner; whence the Scriptures designate sinners by the names of divers animals, according to the passions and vices to which they abandon themselves. The Royal Prophet says: ‘Man, when he was in honor, did not understand; he is compared to senseless beasts, and is become like to them.’ Truly, as reason distinguishes the being of man, and passion that of the beast, a man possesses his glorious prerogative only inasmuch as he suffers himself to be guided by it; and he becomes a beast, inasmuch as he permits himself to be carried away by passion, the guide of irrational creatures.”
—The Spiritual Man by Rev. J. B. Saint-Jure, S.J.
“In a word, sinners lose their reason, and imitate brute animals, that follow the instinct of nature, and seek carnal pleasures without ever reflecting on their lawfulness or unlawfulness. But to act in this manner is, according to St. Chrysostom, to act not like a man, but like a beast.”
—Sermons for All the Sundays of the Year by St. Alphonsus de Liguori
Yes, Catholics are certainly meant to live their faith with intensity. However, the word “beast” has a certain connotation in Catholicism that makes it practically impossible to use for the purpose you are intending. For example:
“Man degenerates when he acts in an irrational manner; whence the Scriptures designate sinners by the names of divers animals, according to the passions and vices to which they abandon themselves. The Royal Prophet says: ‘Man, when he was in honor, did not understand; he is compared to senseless beasts, and is become like to them.’ Truly, as reason distinguishes the being of man, and passion that of the beast, a man possesses his glorious prerogative only inasmuch as he suffers himself to be guided by it; and he becomes a beast, inasmuch as he permits himself to be carried away by passion, the guide of irrational creatures.”
—The Spiritual Man by Rev. J. B. Saint-Jure, S.J.
“In a word, sinners lose their reason, and imitate brute animals, that follow the instinct of nature, and seek carnal pleasures without ever reflecting on their lawfulness or unlawfulness. But to act in this manner is, according to St. Chrysostom, to act not like a man, but like a beast.”
—Sermons for All the Sundays of the Year by St. Alphonsus de Liguori
I am certainly not trying to scandalize or mislead anyone. I don’t want to encourage anyone to act like an “irrational brute animal”; however, to our target market, the term “beast” means something far different. It seems like we have a difference in interpretation and I’m sure you’ve been in circular arguments with Christians regarding the interpretation of scripture, so rather than go there, I would like to tell you that I respect your interpretation, but disagree. May God bless you
I absolutely believe you’re not trying to mislead or scandalize anyone. I understand the meaning for the word beast is different for your target audience and what you’re trying to promote – what I’m saying is that because there’s a certain meaning that’s been attached to the word beast in Catholic theology since the early Church, it’s just not a good idea to use that word for promoting sanctity.
In a separate comment you asked that the scriptural interpretation of the word beast be considered in the entire context of the Bible and referenced Job 12:7. All of the Catholic resources that I’ve looked at say that verse has to do with how nature is a proof for the existence of God. For example:
“We may also infer the existence of God from the creatures on the earth. Thus Job says ‘Ask now the beasts and they shall teach thee; and the birds of the air, and they shall tell thee. Speak to the earth and it shall answer thee; and the fishes of the sea shall tell. Who is ignorant that the hand of the Lord hath made all these things?’ (Job xii. 7-9.)”
—The Catechism Explained, An Exhaustive Exposition of the Christian Religion, from the Original of Rev. Francis Spirago, Professor of Theology, Edited by Rev. Richard F. Clarke, S.J.
So, how does that support the meaning attached to the word beast you’re using?
God bless you.
Dear Holy Angel
The reference to “beast” in Job doesn’t support “Be A Saint’s” definition (I already mentioned how our definition is different than in biblical times and the modern definition means: “fierce”). The reference in Job shows that the term “beast” is not objectively evil within scripture.
Thank you for your prayers
continue to pray for me, my family and that this ministry may inspire people to live the Gospel boldly and draw closer to Jesus
Your inability to see the issue here is, in many ways, tied to the same fuzzy doctrinal foundation that causes you to think of slogans like “your interpretation…on scripture”. Private interpretation of scripture, in any form, is utterly Protestant and should offend ones Sensus Catholicus. It’s truly unfortunate that we have men of the Church who are so lacking and yet find themselves in leadership positions- to one degree or the other. “The will is there but the flesh is weak”. This is a testament to the utter failure of the Conciliar Church infrastructure and education. It’s becoming clearer by the day that only in the traditionalist enclaves will there be a reawakening of the True Faith. There just isn’t the understanding that transcends modernity in any other facet of today’s Church. I pray that you find yourself off the pagan path to the point of seeing the vacuity of your position in the not-to-distant future, sir.
Ordo ab chao
The new evangelization of the Novus Ordo “Catholic Church” is not Christian. In fact it’s worse than most fundamentalist because it seeks to do away with all that is traditionally Catholic. Remember you cannot be a true Christian unless you are a true Catholic. St. Athanasius said “Christian my name, Catholic my surname.” If you want to make a Catholic T-shirt, put something distinguishably Catholic on it such as a picture of Our Lady crushing the serpents (devil’s) head. The whole beast, “be a saint” thing is tacky and looks like something the local novus ordo priest would wear.
Luke: Please read Mortalium Animos of Pius XI. Ecumenism is not part of Catholicism. I am a Catholic. Most are Catholics who read this site.
Our religion is not something new. It is something OLD. We are constantly referring to Christ and His deposit of divine revelation through sacred Scripture and Holy Tradition entrusted to the Church for Her to guard and for her to defend. Outside the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church (i.e. the Roman Catholic Church) there is no salvation. Our religion is essentially traditional.
I do not think of St. Maria Goretti as a beast. I do not think of St. Pius X as a beast.
When I think about saints I hear Gregorian Chant, or polyphony from Palestrina, Gabrieli, or Victoria. When I think about beastly music, I imagine Rock & Roll, Jazz and other forms of demonic cacophony.
My apologies, but one more thing. The very nature of “millennials” is absolutely contra Catholicos. Catholicism, which is itself contra paganos, is timeless. The faith is eternal and evokes a mentality that transcends the silly euphemisms so haphazardly promoted by spiritually indolent Novus Ordinarians. I don’t think anyone here has been surprised or moved by your posts. Happily, a deeply ingrained Sensus Catholicus has kept “Traditionalists” (I use that term parenthetically because the faithful thus termed are nothing more that CATHOLICS) from becoming familiar with the harsh syllables of the language of modernists they so often hear today. Only those utterly awash in wordliness are deaf to it.
Pius X, Ora Pro Nobis!
How about these acronyms:
BEAM (Be a Modernist)
BEARD (Be a remarried divorcee – Jorge will love this one)
BEANO (Be a Novus Ordite – there is a lot of smelly gas accumulating in that group of folks)
BEACH (Be a Chrissstian – You gotta say it like a southern televangelist – this one goes well with Jorge’s beach ball, and with the ecumania prevalent today)
BEAP (Be a Protestant)
From a Catholic mother: “My daughter’s gymnastics coach tells her she is a beast all the time. The term describes someone who is strong, bold, intense…and it is understood that way in our culture. To compare the word “beast” with “demon” or “devil” is ridiculous. If my daughter’s coach ever told her she was a demon/devil, I would find that offensive. But that would never happen because the words mean vastly different things.”
The word “beast” basically refers to a robust brute animal. In the context of gymnastics, a “beast” would be someone who is very strong and energetic — just like an animal. What does that have to do with your “be a beast for Christ” campaign?
I think it would be a safer road to sainthood to follow the traditional paths blazed by St. John Bosco, St. Phillip Neri, St. Dominic Savio, St Theresa of Lisieux and other canonized Saints of the Catholic Church (sorry: NOT Roncalli or Wojtyla et al. post 1958). Worldy slogans, ugly images, and references to ferocious irrational brutes are, at best, novelties, and are discordant with the perfect order, supreme beauty, and perfect tranquility of the Eternal God.
But, in the Cult of Man (reference to Paul VI), anything goes. I would not be surprised to see Jorge wearing one of the BEAST hoodies, along with a clowns nose, while depositing beach balls on a once Catholic altar.
Take a look at the latest Novus Ordo Wire article. The Satanic Malcolm Young from AC/DC just died. During his Novus Ordo funeral, his guitar, known as THE BEAST was laid on his coffin. What a coincidence!
(I do not know if any balloons or beach balls were used at the ceremony.)
Wow, you guys have completely ripped Romans 14 from your Bibles: “Therefore let us stop passing judgement on one another…” and “I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord, that nothing is unclean in itself…” and “Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, the servant rises or falls…”
Your harsh accusations to more to divide than to unify. Your knee-jerk judgments are precisely why the unbelievers want nothing to do with Christ. Even Paul, when reports came to him in prison that some preached Christ out of selfish ambition, said “But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice!”
Besides, you’re even factually inaccurate: “..so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.” And are we really claiming that no one can “buy or sell” unless they are wearing this shirt?? And is the word “beast” synonymous with “the name of the beast or the number of its name”? No, and no.
Nevertheless, my comment is not meant to condemn you, but to remind you that we have been freed from slavery to sin, so let us not put back on the yoke of fear by searching every corner for the dread beast who might pounce upon us unawares and haul us off to hell. Christ has overcome the world! We are more than conquerors so let us reign in life as the resurrected Body of Christ! Use every means to exhort the lost. Even Paul found an altar to an “unknown god” and used it to preach the truth though that altar was clearly pagan. Encourage our brothers who are reclaiming even the English language from the devil and redeeming it for Christ’s glory.
You forgot to quote “Let he who is without sin…” and “Judge not lest ye be judged” – the staple phrases for liberals who like to condemn us for being Catholics. Are liberal misinterpretations of all these quotes wilful, or do you all genuinely lack understanding?
Precisely! Our Lord, the Blessed Apostles Peter and Paul, and all the Saints certainly made value judgements on moral decisions every minutes of their lives! We aren’t judging you to the point of forceful action, but merely pointing out to ourselves and loved ones that your path is the path of damnation. Silly frivolity mixed with the Lord Jesus Christ offends me. Let it always be thus!
What do the words “forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us” from The Lord’s prayer (Lk 11:4; Mt 6:12) mean, Etienne Hardre? All Christians are to pray them every single day.
Or what does “judgment should begin at the house of God … first at us… the just man shall scarcely be saved” (1 Pt 4:17-18) mean?
Or “our most dear brother Paul, according to the wisdom given him, has written to you: As also in all his epistles … in which
are certain things hard to be understood, which the unlearned and
unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own
destruction.” (2 Pt 3:15-16)?
Did Jesus come to unite? Read Matthew 10:34-37. We are to judge rightly according to Jesus in John 7:24. How?
“Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus you will know them by their fruits.” Matt. 7:15-20.
Etienn Hardre probably ripped those pages out of his bible.
Yeah, I’m sure everybody will get that message when they see “BEAST” proudly displayed on people’s clothes.
All – I know Luke personally. I attend an FSSP mass in Virginia. If I remember correctly, Luke and/or his wife used to attend daily mass there frequently.
I can tell you that he is a very holy man. Probably more so than many on this thread. One of the problems that I have with my own TLM community is that they often make comments and write articles as if they were better than those at the Novus Ordo. What kind of charity is this?
This is exactly why people often get turned away from the TLM crowd because of this holier than thou mentality.
Obviously, the youth live in quite a different world than many of us grew up in and as Luke said, we need to meet them where they are. Take it for what it is and stop digging so deep trying to find some evil thing within his message. I’m sure he has probably reached many more youth than any of us and has done much good.
I ask that you get over yourselves and go fight a fight worth fighting.
Shawn D, I can tell you this. Luke has positively proved that he’s not a very holy man with his nonsense. Going around with BEAST as a logo to promote a good message to meet young folks where they are is exactly like promoting Rock n Roll liturgies where Novus ordo’s try to meet young folks where they are. Scandalous and stupid!
We are to be like Jesus. Thy Will be done on Earth as it is heaven, right? You guys are not doing that at all! Instead of acting like a real saints, you’re acting like secular idiots making Christianity look foolish just like Protestants do. Then you go around accusing us of having a holier than thou mentality when when you’re rightly criticized and condemned.
Get over yourself and stop fighting the ridiculous fight you created.
Shawn, this isn’t about who’s holier than whom. It doesn’t matter if the creator of this stuff is of good will or not. The point is that he cannot be doing this.
The Mass is not the issue. It is the FAITH. But, I guess that is not worth our fighting.
BTW what good is a “TLM” if it is performed by a layman (due to invalidating changes in consecration of bishops and ordination of priests)?
Why have the TLM in the first place? How can there be something wrong with the Novus Ordo Missae, promulgated by one of your “popes?” You have to accept it and embrace it.
The crux of the matter is the New Religion. The TLM is just one aspect of that.
Since you folks are constantly measuring your holiness against various standards, why not measure your holiness to your fidelity to your “popes,” fidelity to your church’s liturgical practices, fidelity to your church’s magisterium, etc. I suggest you use Jorge as your guide.
You should love and embrace the buffoonery of Jorge, and conform yourselves to it. You should love and embrace the “Ordinary” form of the Novus Ordo rite, because that is the norm. Stop trying to pretend there is a way to blend the Cult of Man (quoting Paul VI) the post 1958 church, the Vatican II church, with the Catholic Church. It cannot be done. The two are diametrically opposed.
Here is one example of the change in the faith: https://youtu.be/02FQW4nYLX0
They just don’t (won’t) get it.
That’s because they want the feel good aspect of a traditional ceremony which is serious and dignified, but without the hardship of the accompanying morality of traditional Catholicism, and cutting themselves off from sin and the occasion of sin (according to traditional standards), and being ostracized by their friends and acquaintances.
In bygone days when there was a pope, pious Catholics wanted to be conformed to the norms of the Church. Catholics looked to Rome for the standards by which they took measure.
But today, “conservative” Novus Ordites want to be out of conformity with Jorge, but still recognize him as a sort of symbolic figurehead (like the Queen of England). It is bizarre.
Hmm. I clicked on the link and up popped an advert for a muslim dating site :-/
When I click on it , it comes up with a short video from Epikeia Media productions on two quotes about religious liberty. Watch it carefully, read carefully, I think it is a very good example.
I’ll have another go tonight.
Wow. Wonder if that’s where his concept originated from?
And all you will be accomplishing by wearing a BEAST shirt at a soccer game is the “new” evangelization which isn’t Catholic any more than your “new” church started by the revolution of John XXIII and Paul VI. The creator of it may be of good will, but he is infected with the spirit of modernism because of the Novus Ordo’s influence which was condemned, is still condemned, and will always be condemned!!! Suit yourself and be a follower of the true BEAST the Novus (New) Ordo (Order) Church. I’ll pray for your conversion.
You may as well give it up. It is pointless to expect either sense or honesty from an R&Rer. They will just put their fingers in their ears and chant “can’t hear you, can’t hear you” when anyone speaks truth to them.
Lol! I go to a FSSP Traditional Latin Mass. I confess at least once a month, but I’m part of the “new” church because I’m not against a hat?
Go talk to a traditional priest about this and come back with their opinion. I’d bet 9 out of 10 would be much more reasonable than yours and others.
I’m sure one of your R&R priests will be as “reasonable” as you want him to be, since he’s a fully paid up member of the NO. Go talk to a sedevacantist priest and you’ll get a whole other answer.
In fact, why don’t you go and learn about Catholicism, and then you might realise that our position is actually the “reasonable” one (ie the Catholic one).
Sad, by the way, that you think this is funny.
No, he wont do that, because that would mean he would have to LEARN the traditional catechism, he would have to learn the pronouncements of popes and councils, he would have to learn all that was thrown out by the Cult of Man, the New Church. There is supposed to be a “hermeneutic of continuity.”
They will not read the infallible condemnation of religious liberty by Pius IX (Quanta Cura). They will not read the infallible condemnation of ecumenism of Pius XI (Mortalium Animos). They will not read the works of St. Pius X against Modernism (Pascendi, Lamentabile Sane, and the Oath against Modernism).
They do not care about JPII preaching heretical sermons in Lutheran Churches. They do not care that Amoris Laetitia allows for divorced and remarried folks to receive “communion,” and that the wording is such that even homosexuals can be allowed to receive what they call the Blessed Sacrament.
The only thing they care about is going to a quasi-traditional ceremony done in Latin. It does not matter if the clergyman is validly ordained or not. It does not matter if it is done in communion with a heretic or not.
Most of these wackos still listen to modern music, still watch the sewer in their living room (TV), still tell jokes with improper innuendos, still have friends/family who are divorced and remarried, or friends/family who are shacking up, etc. They will not cut themselves off from the world. They are usually imbued with sports fanaticism, spending their time on Sundays glued to the NFL, MLB, NBA, Golf, or some other violation of the sanctity of the day.
Their desire for the traditional Latin Mass is out of whack. Are they saying there is something wrong with the New Mass? They should be docile, faithful, and compliant to Jorge, and practice the same religion as Jorge practices in all its aspects (including beach balls, homosexual lectors, divorced and remarried communicants, a Tango dance as thanksgiving after the communion, and all the other things that go with this New Religion).
They ought to be conforming themselves to their “Vicar of Christ,” Jorge Bergoglio, in thought, word, and deed; and stop trying to hold on to certain nostalgic things which Jorge hates (which is any vestige of Catholicism).
But certainly they should not troll a sedevacantist website. For them, we are not Catholics. Therefore they should have nothing to do with us. Just as we should not be on a Greek Orthodox website or a Lutheran website.
In other words, they are High Anglicans. I know, it’s really becoming a pain, how many trolls are on this site lately – but I suppose that’s the point 🙁 I just wish they weren’t all so tedious and self-righteous (have you noticed that the less Catholic someone is, the more ostentatiously he talks about praying? They’re like “Hallelujah” evangelical protestants – all you need to be saved is love!).
Yes, it is very noticeable. They pray more than us, they are more loving and charitable than us, and they are not as judgmental as us. Oh, and they are more humble (just ask them). Therefore their position is right, and sedevacantists are wrong. They are like cloned televangelists , or what’s worse, cloned little Jorge Bergoglios.
The FSSP is in union with Francis. He’s your pope. You’re part of that religion. It’s not Catholic because it speaks volumes of heresy. Your traditional priest are not validly ordained therefore their opinion is as meaningless as yours. I feel sorry for you
2 Peter 2:12 -13 But these men, as irrational beasts, naturally tending to the snares and to destruction, blaspheming those things which they know not, shall perish in their corruption……” I believe it is a perfect tee shirt for the anti Catholic Vatican II sect .
He hanged himself as your doing so now.
It’s astounding how blind you are. Keep giving us your nonsense, Shawn.
Splendidly put.
Shawn, we all knew that you were a novus ordo counterfeit Catholic when you defended BEAST as a proper logo for Catholics to wear on their clothing.
Why aren’t you a fan of your pope’s positions when, according the infallible teaching of the Church, the Holy See is supposed to be the rock that keeps the Catholic religion unsullied and teaching holy, who is unimpaired by any error with an unfailing faith from Christ’s prayer, who strengthens his brethren with the Catholic Faith and turns the poisonous food of error away from the flock of Christ while nourishing the Catholic flock with heavenly doctrine and who removes all occasion of schism that the Church might be saved as one, because he stays firm against the gates of hell?
Btw, your modern secular new fssp church got Merry Christmas from us.
If we had emoticons, we would have to use the head-in-hands one for him – he’s even worse than Paul Bays. Who would have thunk it?
Oh, you like all those stupid things I’ve mentioned?
Why don’t you wear it to the TLM? Maybe you can get the presider and the table girls to wear some too!
Gotta keep those sports events on Sunday. Don’t want to mess with the sanctity of sports.
TLM = Traditional Latin Mass. No table. High alter only. Alter girls not allowed.
The soccer is at church with our families and Priests in cassocks.
All of your responses continue to get stranger and stranger.
That’s because you’re so deluded we’re finding it impossible not to make fun of you. Cue the usual accusations that we’re “uncharitable” 😉
There is a table in front of the High altar if you go to the “indult” mass unless you can pick it up and move like few places do. So that = same religion as Bergoglio just a more conservative preference. Your pope is trying to do away with your TLM because he thinks its a “fad” and you need to stop breeding like rabbits (those are his words). Indult groups like the SSPX groups have grown more cultic as the years go by. Yes I know many of the families around here in our area that go to those masses and almost all of them cannot deal with crucial issues so they criticize us behind our back and continue to be stupid
Your religion promotes those things. Have you seen Jorge’s various youth masses on youtube? Do you mean to tell me you have not seen altar girls in the Novus Ordo?
I broke from the Novus Ordo in 1981. I know what goes on in the Novus Ordo Church. You can pretend that you are not complicit in those things, but you are, because you are in communion with Jorge, The Rat, and “Saint” Wojtyla, “Venerable” Luciani, “Blessed” Paul, and “Saint” Roncalli.
The magisterium of your Church promotes doctrines which were condemned by the Catholic Church, promotes “lifestyles” condemned by the Catholic Church, and has as its official worship something which you find so repulsive that you have to seek out the TLM, as a refuge from the stupidity.
If anyone can say that Christ came to earth and suffered His passion and death so that He could set up a church which would deceive folks with all of these monsterous teachings, and which would contradict itself, then that person is HOPELESS!
According to you and your church, Christ came to give us Amoris Laetita, beach balls on the altar (or table), Tango thanksgivings after “Mass,” and a complete embrace of homosexuals and other perverts.
According to you and your church, by the authority of Christ and the Holy Ghost, Christ’s church can teach infallibly that Religious Liberty is a condemned doctrine, an insanity, but can later say that it is a dogma of the Church. Ditto for Ecumenism.
Talk about strange!
Of course you’re not sympathetic to sedevacanatists – because you understand *nothing* about Catholicism. But I’m glad that you’ve ended the conversation, because we get really tired of listening to the same trite old stuff from you people.
Why come to a sedevacantist site in the first place, by the way? It would drive me mad to go to a NOite site and read through pages of the sort of drivel that you pretend Catholics come out with (so many better things for us to do with our time on Earth). Plus ,I am offended by blasphemy, of course.
Take a look at the latest Novus Ordo Watch article. The Satanic Malcolm Young from AC/DC just died. During his Novus Ordo funeral, his guitar, known as THE BEAST was laid on his coffin.
What a coincidence!
Yeah, I would also challenge this with the other poster. “Beast” in slang in popular sports culture just means a good or strong athlete. “Wow, you were in ‘beast mode’ today, you really attacked that fiercely!” – someone might say this about someone who did well on an academic test.
Though NOW I do clearly agree they are trying to promote being a “sinful beast” (like isn’t there the beast/beasts of Revelation?) subtly – a better abbreviation might be used for a religious project.
You think?!
SERPENT:
Sanctimonious, Ecumenical, Revolutionary, Protestant-like, Ecological, Novus ordo Tree hugger.
Did you see that the dead Satanist’s guitar was called the BEAST, and it was on his coffin during the Novus Ordo shindig, er, I mean funeral?
I’m sure he was just celebrating the fact that he was a good or strong athlete…
When you wear it, you’re attracting people to either ask you about it or remind people that they need to go to her since she’s the Mother of God. It doesn’t take away her dignity. You must be another Novus ordoite who doesn’t want to offend people. The Devil doesn’t want people to know about her much less pray to her so by you saying such a statement is actually in favor of the devil. Are you proud of yourself?
I see what you mean now and I’m sorry. I will say Catholic images have an affect on people more than you realize. When you go into Catholic home which has a lot of statues it catches peoples attention and they talk. If you have a bumper sticker with a strong Catholic meaning you either get a thumbs up or a middle finger when people pass you by. If you were to wear a T-shirt with a Catholic image that has meaning people might ask you what the meaning of it is. As Catholics we are suppose to let our light shine before men and not be afraid. The reason why the Vatican II Church has taken over and why the world is so ecumenical these days is because Catholics are silent and don’t speak up loud and proud. If you are specifically against t-shirts for the reasons mentioned above, I understand and you have a couple good points.