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Francis: “There is no Hell, there is the Disappearance of Sinful Souls”


Breaking news from the Vatican, just in time to interfere with the holiest time of the year, the Easter Triduum: As first reported by the blog Secretum Meum Mihi, the Italian paper La Repubblica — the only one Francis says he reads — has published a new interview by Eugenio Scalfari, Francis’ favorite conversation partner.

The Rorate Caeli blog has just provided an English translation:

[Scalfari:] Your Holiness, in our previous meeting you told me that our species will disappear in a certain moment and that God, still out of his creative force, will create new species. You have never spoken to me about the souls who died in sin and will go to hell to suffer it for eternity. You have however spoken to me of good souls, admitted to the contemplation of God. But what about bad souls? Where are they punished?

[Francis:] “They are not punished, those who repent obtain the forgiveness of God and enter the rank of souls who contemplate him, but those who do not repent and cannot therefore be forgiven disappear. There is no hell, there is the disappearance of sinful souls.”


The following scan, taken from La Repubblica, was provided by Secretum Meum Mihi as proof of the Italian original:

That this statement constitutes the sin and crime of heresy is beyond all doubt. It is Catholic dogma that the souls of those who die in mortal sin go into everlasting punishment and do not cease to exist or “disappear”, nor are they ever annihilated by God:

But [Christ] descended in soul, and He arose in the flesh, and He ascended equally in both, to come at the end of time, to judge the living and the dead, and to render to each according to his works, to the wicked as well as to the elect, all of whom will rise with their bodies which they now bear, that they may receive according to their works, whether these works have been good or evil, the latter everlasting punishment with the devil, and the former everlasting glory with Christ.

(Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, Ch. 1; Denz. 429)

Moreover, we declare that according to the common arrangement of God, the souls of those who depart in actual mortal sin immediately after their death descend to hell where they are tortured by infernal punishments, and that nevertheless on the day of judgment all men with their bodies will make themselves ready to render an account of their own deeds before the tribunal of Christ, “so that everyone may receive the proper things of the body according as he has done whether it be good or evil” [2 Cor. 5:10].

(Pope Benedict XII, Edict Benedictus Deus; Denz. 531)

Of course the evidence from Divine Revelation is overwhelming, but there is no time now in this breaking news post to list the relevant Scripture passages.

The full text of this latest La Repubblica interview can be viewed at this link (subscription required):

UPDATE 29-MAR-2018 20:53 UTC:

The Vatican has released a statement on the controversy:

The Holy Father Francis recently received the founder of the newspaper La Repubblica in a private meeting on the occasion of Easter, without however giving him any interviews. What is reported by the author in today’s article is the result of his reconstruction, in which the textual words pronounced by the Pope are not quoted. No quotation of the aforementioned article must therefore be considered as a faithful transcription of the words of the Holy Father.

(Vatican Press Office, Communication of Mar. 29, 2018; translation by Catholic Herald.)

While many will take this as a denial from the Vatican, notice that this is actually only a quasi-denial. They’re not stating Francis didn’t say what he was reported as saying, they’re merely stating that the words printed cannot be considered a faithful transcription of what Francis said. Why not? Simply because Scalfari doesn’t take notes nor does he record his interviews. And yet that fact, admitted to by Scalfari himself, has not kept Francis from continually giving interviews to Scalfari. Steve Skojec has put together a review of some interesting facts in that regard:

Vatican journalist Edward Pentin, too, has an interesting post on the controversy here.

Of course Greg Burke, the Vatican press secretary, wouldn’t know what Francis told Scalfari unless Francis told him, which, as far as he know, he hasn’t done. So it makes sense that his statement on the issue would not be a real denial but would have to content itself with saying that the alleged quote isn’t reliable.

Ah well, so far, Francis has never considered Scalfari unreliable, so we have no reason to do so either. If there’s one person who would know how faithfully Scalfari repeats Francis’ thoughts, it’s the Jesuit apostate himself.

All things considered, it may very well be the case that Francis continually chooses Scalfari as his favorite conversation partner precisely because he doesn’t take notes nor record the sessions. This allows Francis to cause as much damage and confusion to souls while always having a way out — he can always claim later that he wasn’t quoted accurately. This plausible deniability is what Modernism thrives on. It allows for the Modernist to disseminate his poison widely, and yet when pressed by a few individuals on it, he can always conveniently point to the fact that his interview partner is very old and writes the interviews from memory.

We discuss this and the related issues in our new mini podcast, TRADCAST EXPRESS 051, which we published just minutes ago:

So, Francis has done it again. It’s Holy Thursday, and we should be commemorating the great love of Jesus Christ in instituting the Most Holy Sacrament of the Altar, the Priesthood, and the Holy Mass at the beginning of His holy Passion. Instead, everyone is talking about Francis.

The man simply knows how to keep the attention fixed on himself.

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