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It’s John 7:13 all over again…

The Crucified Christ Betrayed:
The Novus Ordo Good Friday Prayer for the Jews

 

The Roman Catholic Church, in her loving kindness and care, having been entrusted by the Son of God with the mission to preach the Gospel and convert all men to the true Faith (see Mk 16:15-16), greatly desires the salvation of all people. Knowing that man was not made for this world, but for eternal beatitude in Heaven, she lovingly seeks to detach him from the state of sin he finds himself in and lift him up to the life of Faith and virtue through the grace merited by our Lord Jesus Christ, who declared: “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me” (Jn 14:6).

Alas, to this day, the Jews do not acknowledge our Lord Jesus Christ, their own Messias who came to redeem them, to whom all the prophets in the Old Testament point, and whose very Passion was foretold so beautifully in so many ways, most strikingly by the prophet Isaias and also in the book of Wisdom:

Let us therefore lie in wait for the just, because he is not for our turn, and he is contrary to our doings, and upbraideth us with transgressions of the law, and divulgeth against us the sins of our way of life. He boasteth that he hath the knowledge of God, and calleth himself the son of God. He is become a censurer of our thoughts. He is grievous unto us, even to behold: for his life is not like other men’ s, and his ways are very different.

We are esteemed by him as triflers, and he abstaineth from our ways as from filthiness, and he preferreth the latter end of the just, and glorieth that he hath God for his father. Let us see then if his words be true, and let us prove what shall happen to him, and we shall know what his end shall be. For if he be the true son of God, he will defend him, and will deliver him from the hands of his enemies. Let us examine him by outrages and tortures, that we may know his meekness and try his patience. Let us condemn him to a most shameful death: for there shall be respect had unto him by his words.

These things they thought, and were deceived: for their own malice blinded them. And they knew not the secrets of God, nor hoped for the wages of justice, nor esteemed the honour of holy souls. For God created man incorruptible, and to the image of his own likeness he made him. But by the envy of the devil, death came into the world: And they follow him that are of his side.

(Wisdom 2:12-25)

In his First Epistle to the Corinthians, St. Paul the Apostle, himself a convert from Judaism, said: “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews indeed a stumblingblock, and unto the Gentiles foolishness: But unto them that are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God” (1 Cor 1:23-24).

Our Divine Lord Himself emphasized that His coming was, in the first instance, for the Jews, since they had been chosen by God as the people to whom He would entrust His law, His teaching, and His prophecies: “I was not sent but to the sheep that are lost of the house of Israel” (Mt 15:24; cf. Jn 4:22). He greatly lamented the fact that His own stubbornly denied Him: “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them that are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered together thy children, as the hen doth gather her chickens under her wings, and thou wouldest not?” (Mt 23:37).

With the Death of our Lord Jesus Christ and His Holy Resurrection, the Old Covenant came to an end, because its mission, its purpose, had been fulfilled, and the New Covenant was now established in the Blood of Christ. This was strikingly represented by the tearing of the temple veil when Christ breathed His last upon the Cross: “And Jesus again crying with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And behold the veil of the temple was rent in two from the top even to the bottom, and the earth quaked, and the rocks were rent” (Mt 27:50-51). St. Paul very clearly stated that with the introduction of the New Covenant, the Old Covenant ended: “in Christ it is made void” (2 Cor 3:14); “he taketh away the first, that he may establish that which followeth” (Heb 10:9).

The temple veil is rent asunder.

The 15th century Council of Florence echoes this in its own teaching:

[This council] firmly believes, professes, and teaches that the matter pertaining to the law of the Old Testament, of the Mosiac law, which are divided into ceremonies, sacred rites, sacrifices, and sacraments, because they were established to signify something in the future, although they were suited to the divine worship at that time, after our Lord’s coming had been signified by them, ceased, and the sacraments of the New Testament began; and that whoever, even after the passion, placed hope in these matters of the law and submitted himself to them as necessary for salvation, as if faith in Christ could not save without them, sinned mortally. Yet it does not deny that after the passion of Christ up to the promulgation of the Gospel they could have been observed until they were believed to be in no way necessary for salvation; but after the promulgation of the Gospel it asserts that they cannot be observed without the loss of eternal salvation. All, therefore, who after that time observe circumcision and the Sabbath and the other requirements of the law, it declares alien to the Christian faith and not in the least fit to participate in eternal salvation, unless someday they recover from these errors.

(Council of Florence, Decree Cantate DominoDenz. 712; underlining added.)

Catholic teaching on this matter is really not difficult to understand: Christ established the New Covenant to fulfill the Old; by means of this, the Old Covenant ceased, and salvation can now only be had in this New Covenant through Jesus Christ.

For this very reason, Holy Mother Church offers public solemn prayers every year on Good Friday for the conversion of all non-Catholics to the True Faith. This includes not only schismatics and heretics but also Jews and pagans.

Even people who are not Catholic and disagree with the Catholic Church can nevertheless easily see that it makes perfect sense for an institution that proclaims itself to be the only Ark of Salvation to offer public prayers for the conversion of all those who are not yet her members.

In the Vatican II Sect, however, things are a bit different.

Since “Pope” John XXIII and the Second Vatican Council, the institution masquerading as the “Catholic Church” has embraced a different gospel, one in which the Jews of our day — that is, the members of apostate Judaism — are at least de facto exempt from the obligation to convert to Christ and His Church, and instead may find salvation in their own (alleged) covenant with God.

This new teaching, this heresy, is found not only in various Novus Ordo documents but also, and most importantly, in the New Church’s praxis with regard to the Jews. This is clearly seen by the fact that the Catholic Good Friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews has been replaced by the Novus Ordo Sect with a prayer that asks God to bless them so they would continue faithfully [sic] on their path.

Let’s take a look at how the Catholic Good Friday prayer for the conversion of the Jews differs from the Novus Ordo prayer:

CATHOLIC PRAYER (before Vatican II):

Let us pray likewise for the faithless Jews: that the Lord our God may remove from their hearts the veil of unbelief: and that they may come to the knowledge of Jesus Christ our Lord.

Let us pray.

Almighty and eternal God, who drivest not away from Thy mercy even the faithless Jews: hear our prayers, which we offer for the blindness of that people: that acknowledging the light of Thy truth, which is Christ, they may be delivered from their darkness. Through the same Jesus Christ, thy Son our Lord, who liveth and reigneth with thee in the unity of the Holy Ghost, ever one God. world without end.

R.  Amen.

What a beautiful, charitable petition to Almighty God — that the Jews, who so far have failed to recognize their Savior, would, by the assistance of God’s grace, come to embrace Him, so that they may also become partakers of Eternal Life. Why would anyone seek to change it?

Now let’s look at the Modernist Novus Ordo prayer:

NOVUS ORDO PRAYER (after Vatican II):

Let us pray
For the Jewish people,
The first to hear the word of God,
That they may continue to grow in the love of his name
And in faithfulness to his covenant.

Almighty and eternal God,
Long ago you gave your promise to Abraham and his posterity.
Listen to your Church as we pray
That the people you first made your own
May arrive at the fullness of redemption.
We ask this through Christ our Lord.

Amen.

(Source)

The contrast is striking. The Novus Ordo prayer has completely falsified the Catholic understanding of the Old and New Covenants and distorted the position of apostate Judaism. The “faithless Jews” (perfidis Judaeis) are no longer represented as lacking the very Faith which alone can allow them to participate in the Redemption and Eternal Life (cf. Jn 8:24; Heb 11:6). Instead, they are now presented as that people to whom God first revealed Himself, which, though correct from a carnal-historical perspective (today’s Jews being the fleshly descendants of Abraham), is not true from the more important, spiritual-theological perspective (today’s Jews not being the spiritual successors of Abraham and the people of the Old Testament).

St. John the Baptist warned the Jews of his day not to think of themselves as being on the path to salvation simply because they are the seed of Abraham: “Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham” (Lk 3:8). And our Blessed Lord Himself added: “It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing” (Jn 6:64).

It is, therefore, terribly misleading to present today’s Jews as though their mere fleshly status of being the descendants of Abraham gave them any sort of spiritual favor. St. Paul underscores this in his letter to the Romans by drawing an analogy with an olive tree: “The branches were broken off … because of unbelief they were broken off” (Rom 11:19-20). And he adds a warning that just as the Jews “were broken off”, so too the Gentiles will be if they do not abide in sanctifying grace in the New Covenant: “otherwise thou also shalt be cut off” (v. 22).

But the novel Novus Ordo prayer for the Jews isn’t finished yet. It proceeds to express unmistakable heresy, petitioning God to allow today’s Jews to “continue to grow … in faithfulness to His covenant.”

What covenant? There is no covenant between God and today’s Jews to which they could possibly be faithful, much less continue to do so. But this Modernist prayer implies the opposite: that the Jews do have a covenant, and that they are already faithful to it up to a certain extent (perhaps through “elements” of fidelity?), and that Catholics merely pray that they will grow in this faithfulness.

But is this so? Not at all.

This case in point shows the difference in theology between the Catholic Church and the Novus Ordo Sect. Of course, if you talk to a “conservative” Novus Ordo apologist, you will be told that you must simply “understand” this prayer in the “right” way, and that is (so they will say) that we pray that the Jews, who believe themselves to be in the Old Covenant, simply become truly faithful to it, because this is the very Covenant that points to Christ and the New Covenant as its own fulfillment, and so it is in being truly faithful to the Old that they will come to realize the validity of the New. Thus, they argue, there is really no difference between the old and the new Good Friday prayer for the Jews.

Masterful! Alas, it has nothing to do with reality.

First, if there is no difference between the old and the new prayer, why is it that the Jews have vigorously condemned the traditional Catholic petition but not the Modernist Novus Ordo one? See the following link for a reality check:

Second, if the Jews do not currently have a covenant with God, objectively speaking and regardless of whether they “believe” themselves to have one, how can we ask God to have them continue to be faithful to that non-existing covenant? It will not do to say that they have a covenant with God “in one sense” but not in another. For you either have a covenant with God or you don’t; you can’t have it both ways.

Third, how is it that we went from “faithless” Jews to Jews being “faithful”? These two terms are opposites, which means they cannot both be true. Are the Jews, or are they not, faithful to God’s teachings and revelation?

Fourth, if the Novus Ordo Good Friday prayer is soo Catholic and soo traditional, how come the Novus Ordo Sect does not have a mission to the Jews? Why is it that no one in the Vatican ever seeks to convert Jews (least of all Francis)? In fact, Francis’ own advisor on Judaism, the German Gregor Maria Hoff, has stated explicitly: “The Catholic Church operates no mission to the Jews” (source).

In 2006, “Pope” Benedict XVI stated that the Jews are blest with “the favor of the God of the Covenant” (which covenant, by the way?) and that they, together with Christians, have a mission “to transmit the torch of the Ten Commandments and of hope to the younger generations” (source). Hope? What hope does Judaism offer? The theological virtue of hope is only found in the True Religion, and that is the Catholic Church. There is no hope in false religions (cf. Pope Pius IX, Syllabus of Errors, n. 17), which should be rather obvious when you think about it. That’s precisely why God revealed Himself to us in the true religion, first in the Old, then in the New Covenant.

On top of all this, of course, we must also consider the question why the Good Friday prayer for the Jews was changed in the first place. The answer, of course, is because it needed to be brought in line with the New Theology (=New Religion) of Vatican II. In its declaration Nostra Aetate, the Modernist council claimed that “the Jews should not be presented as rejected or accursed by God, as if this followed from the Holy Scriptures (Vatican II, Nostra Aetate, n. 4).

Not rejected by God? Really? “Therefore I say to you, that the kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and shall be given to a nation yielding the fruits thereof” (Mt 21:43); “…because of unbelief they were broken off… For if God hath not spared the natural branches, fear lest perhaps he also spare not thee. See then the goodness and the severity of God: towards them indeed that are fallen, the severity; but towards thee, the goodness of God, if thou abide in goodness, otherwise thou also shalt be cut off” (Rom 11:20-22). So, yes, this really does follow from the Holy Scriptures.

As far as being accursed, apparently Vatican II forgot that the human race itself has been an accursed race since sin entered into the world (see Gen 3:18; Rom 5:12), and that the only way out of this predicament is through the Redemption of Jesus Christ in the New Covenant. This is very basic stuff!

Additional proof from Holy Scripture and Catholic doctrine regarding God’s rejection of the Jews as a people can be found in the following posts:

Finally, it is very telling that not only is there no mission to the Jews in the Novus Ordo Church, it even includes its interreligious dealings with Jews as part of its so-called Pontifical Council for the Promotion of Christian [!] Unity:

Relations with the Jews

On 22nd October 1974, Pope Paul VI established a Commission for Religious Relations with the Jews as an office distinct from but closely linked with the PCPCU [Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity]. In fact, the Cardinal President of the PCPCU presides over this Commission; the Secretary of the PCPCU is similarly its Vice-President. A full-time executive Secretary ensures the day-to-day running of the Commission. In order to implement the guidelines of the Second Vatican Council, the Commission published Guidelines and Suggestions for Implementing the Conciliar Declaration “Nostra aetate” n. 4, (1974) and Notes on the Correct Way to Present the Jews and Judaism in Preaching and Catechesis in the Roman Catholic Church (1985).

(“The Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity”, Profile at Vatican.va)

So, for the Vatican II Church, interreligious co-operation with Jews somehow falls under “promoting Christian unity.” Figure that one out.

All this is in striking contrast to the Church before Vatican II, which is nothing but the true and authentic Roman Catholic Church, which cannot change in her essence, and which, being the infallible, indefectible, and spotless Bride of Christ, cannot fail in her essential mission, which is leading all to Christ through her, for she is His Mystical Body:

…Christ our Lord instituted His Church as a perfect society, external of its nature and perceptible to the senses, which should carry on in the future the work of the salvation of the human race, under the leadership of one head, with an authority teaching by word of mouth, and by the ministry of the sacraments, the founts of heavenly grace….

This Church, after being so wonderfully instituted, could not, on the removal by death of its Founder and of the Apostles who were the pioneers in propagating it, be entirely extinguished and cease to be, for to it was given the commandment to lead all men, without distinction of time or place, to eternal salvation: “Going therefore, teach ye all nations.”[Mt 28:19]

In the continual carrying out of this task, will any element of strength and efficiency be wanting to the Church, when Christ Himself is perpetually present to it, according to His solemn promise: “Behold I am with you all days, even to the consummation of the world?”[Mt 28:20] It follows then that the Church of Christ not only exists to-day and always, but is also exactly the same as it was in the time of the Apostles, unless we were to say, which God forbid, either that Christ our Lord could not effect His purpose, or that He erred when He asserted that the gates of hell should never prevail against it. [Mt 16:18]

(Pope Pius XI, Encyclical Mortalium Animos, n. 6; underlining  and paragraph breaks added.)

For the Catholic Church to abandon her mission would be to say that Christ either lied or erred in His divine promise, both of which are impossible.

Consider also the following from Popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, and Pius XII on this point (all underlining added):

…[R]eligion itself can never totter and fall while this Chair [of St. Peter] remains intact, the Chair which rests on the rock which the proud gates of hell cannot overthrow and in which there is the whole and perfect solidity of the Christian religion.

(Pope Pius IX, Encyclical Inter Multiplices, n. 7)

 

For He who is the Spirit of Truth, inasmuch as He proceedeth both from the Father, who is the eternally True, and from the Son, who is the substantial Truth, receiveth from each both His essence and the fullness of all truth. This truth He communicates to His Church, guarding her by His all powerful help from ever falling into error, and aiding her to foster daily more and more the germs of divine doctrine and to make them fruitful for the welfare of the peoples. And since the welfare of the peoples, for which the Church was established, absolutely requires that this office should be continued for all time, the Holy Ghost perpetually supplies life and strength to preserve and increase the Church. “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Paraclete, that He may abide with you for ever, the Spirit of Truth” John xiv., 16, 17).

(Pope Leo XIII, Encyclical Divinum Illud, n. 5)

 

Mother Church, Catholic, Roman, which has remained faithful to the constitution received from her Divine Founder, which still stands firm today on the solidity of the rock on which his will erected her, possesses in the primacy of Peter and of his legitimate [note well! —N.O.W.] successors the assurance, guaranteed by the divine promises, of keeping and transmitting inviolate and in all its integrity through centuries and millennia to the very end of time, the entire sum of truth and grace contained in the redemptive mission of Christ.

(Pope Pius XII, Allocution to the Consistory, June 2, 1944)

Clearly, the Church cannot fail in her divine mandate; she cannot suddenly — whether mistakenly or deliberately — reverse course and abandon her God-given duty to evangelize and seek the conversion and salvation of all human beings throughout the world until the end of time.

Even the Novus Ordo Sect itself admits that it is the Catholic Church’s essential mission to evangelize and convert all who are not yet her members: “‘…the task of evangelizing all people constitutes the essential mission of the Church.’ …Evangelizing is in fact the grace and vocation proper to the Church, her deepest identity. She exists in order to evangelize…” (“Pope” Paul VI, “Apostolic Exhortation” Evangelii Nuntiandi, n. 14; italics added).

But if the Church’s essential task is to lead all men to Christ by converting all to a life of grace in her, the Mystical Body, then this obviously includes also the Jews, those who were “broken off” from the tree because of their rejection of Christ (cf. Rom 11:19). This is why Catholics pray for the conversion also of the Jews in specific, not only in the Good Friday liturgy, but also in the beautiful Act of Consecration of the Human Race to the Sacred Heart of Jesus: “Turn Thine eyes of mercy towards the children of the race, once Thy chosen people: of old they called down upon themselves the Blood of the Savior; may it now descend upon them a laver of redemption and of life” (source).

To deny them this greatest of graces, to keep from them the Good News of our Lord Jesus Christ and to pretend that they need not abandon their current false religion, their non-existing “covenant” with God, is the greatest disservice one can possibly render to the Jewish people, for whom our Blessed Lord died as well, whom He lovingly desires to save (cf. Mk 4:21; 1 Tim 2:4), and whose eventual conversion to Christ has been foretold by St. Paul (see Rom 11:25-32).

And so we once again see the stark contrast between the Catholic Church, faithful Bride of Christ, and the Modernist Vatican II Sect, the unfaithful harlot. The latter has replaced the Catholic prayer for the conversion of the Jews with a heretical petition to make them grow in their supposed “faith” and “covenant with God.” By doing so, it has succumbed to the political correctness of our time, which sees every opposition to the Jewish religion as an unpardonable insult against the Jewish race.

In this manner, we can apply the words of St. John the Evangelist from 2,000 years ago to the false Modernist church in our day: “Yet no man spoke openly of [Jesus], for fear of the Jews” (Jn 7:13).

35 Responses to “The Crucified Christ Betrayed: The Novus Ordo Good Friday Prayer for the Jews”

  1. Pedro

    A very apt and timely summary of the heretical Modernist Novus Ordo Church’s failings with respect to the Jewish people.

  2. John Hixson

    This is the main heresy of the VII sect. It does not seek conversion for Jew, Muslim , Hindu, Etc. It works on making Governments turn toward socialism. Our Blessed Lord and Savior did not have to suffer dereliction and opprobrium on the cross so we can have big government welfare and fight global warming. The very fruits and praxis of the VII religion proves it is heretical as it has departed from it’s primary mission to save souls. This is why no one should support the ICKSP, FSSP or the SSPX because you are supporting the Vatican II heretical church. Only those who speak out like Novus Ordo watch should be supported.

    • Robert Pentangelo

      He did not suffer it that we should have interminable wars and the oppression of the poor either or rampant sexual degradation or venality.

    • Mike

      You’re a layman, and so am I, so I’ll respond accordingly, and take whatever flak comes my way.

      I agree with you on the FSSP and the ICKSP. Their Orders are not certain. However, the SSPX do have valid Orders, and provide the spiritual goods of the Church. That’s where I practice the Faith. I never, ever hear heresy from the pulpit, nor scandal in the confessional. I receive Our Lord in Holy Communion and receive absolution for my sins in Confession.

      Some people try to unravel the mystery of the crisis, way beyond their competency, and end up sitting at home on Sundays and calling it Catholicism.

      If I have a valid Mass and valid Sacraments available at a Society chapel, (and thanks be to God, I do) I am going to go. I’ll give as much as I can in the collection as well. It’s not my job to solve the crisis. I only have to respond to it in the degree that the Vatican II/ Novus Ordo revolutionaries try to prevent me from practicing the Faith. I’m pretty certain that the conciliar popes are not popes, by the way.

      Promoting various theories about the crisis and how to respond, (which have been well refuted by other sedevacantists) to the point that the laity, i.e. the sheep, are told to stay home, is tending towards schism. We are not the agressors in this war. We are not Paul VI and his crew. We are the sheep, and our duty is to respond according to the degree we are being attacked, and not beyond that.

      • John Hixson

        Whoa hold on. I agree they have valid orders and true Mass. Still if they don’t speak out against Fake Francis they are complicit.

        • Siobhan

          No disrespect to any commenter whatsoever-but one must ask the ordination history of an SSPX priest to be certain, since not all are conditionally ordained if formerly “ordained” in the new rite. Since a number of SSPX priests are non una-cum, when the sedevacantist seeks out such an SSPX priest & assists at such a Mass, he is then not confirming nor aligning himself with Bergoglio in his (Jorge’s) heresy of Modernism.

          • Mike

            Fortunately, I have never met a Society priest converted from the Novus Ordo. I would have to work out what to do if I ever did. The una cum issue has been well refuted by John Lane and others. While both sides make a point, it is more prudent in my opinion to not cut oneself off from other Catholics, as it promotes schism.

          • Novus Ordo Watch

            Please allow me to add a few observations here, which I believe are pertinent:
            (1) The una cum issue and the SSPX Mass issue are two different things. While all SSPX Masses are una cum, not all una cum Masses are SSPX.
            (2) Therefore, even if the una cum problem is not a problem, that doesn’t mean one can attend SSPX Masses.
            (3) The una cum issue has nothing to do with cutting oneself off from other Catholics, at least not per se. It has to do with cutting oneself off from certain Masses which are believed to be schismatic.
            (4) In my opinion, neither side in the una cum debate has definitively proven its case. For that reason, my personal opinion is that we must stay away from una cum Masses, as there is reasonable doubt about whether attending them is morally permissible.

        • Mike

          Hi John, thanks for responding. They teach the Catholic Faith from the pulpit and when they give moral counsel in the confessional. I have heard Francis called out in various sermons by name when the need arises. I really don’t see a problem, and with so few places left to practice the Faith these days, I don’t think it is good to steer people away from them. The Church wants the faithful to receive Grace through the normal means of Mass, Sacraments and common charity.

          • Novus Ordo Watch

            How can you say they teach the Catholic Faith from the pulpit when their ecclesiology, their teaching on the Magisterium, and their teaching on the Papacy is not that of the Catholic Church?

          • Siobhan

            Exactly. All you state, NOW, is indicative of the harm done to souls by the SSPX. It was impossible to vouchsafe the Faith to my children. Indeed I was scandalizing them. It took me some time to realize this (but not that long.) I fear how do R&R’s explain to their own children the words of +Fellay : “We have in front of us a genuine Modernist.” IOW-an heretic. The SSPX holds that their currently reigning pontiff is an heretic & are “negotiating” to enter “fully” into VII Sectarianism, Jorge’s religion.

  3. Dum Spiro Spero

    Thanks for Heresy: Pope Francis has thanked the controversal Maltese bishops for allowing Holy Communion for adulterers. The letter was send by radical Cardinal Baldisseri the secretary general of the Synod of Bishops, on behalf of Francis. The Maltese bishops assert the primacy of subjective conscience over the objective moral truth, which clearly contradicted previous papal teaching, the Catechism, canon law, and Vatican instructions.
    https://gloria.tv/video/e8beLKmCqN1p4vPmTSExYeoxw

  4. Greg C

    Well, if conservative novus ordites don’t like the new form of prayer, they can just reject it and hold to the old, even though it won’t be said at any of the “masses”. Plus, it doesn’t really matter because, according to V2 documents, the Jews adore the same God the Father as we do, as do the Muslims. And if conservative novus ordites don’t agree, which I’ve yet to meet any, they don’t have to hold to that either because v2 council was only “pastoral”. Who cares if “papa” Bergoglio wishes jews happy hanukkah, or muslims happy ramadan, as long as it’s not officially proclaimed it’s all good.

    • Pedro

      Welcome to the dogma-less “church”. “Anything goes” or “As you like it” or “100% guilt free”. Choose the moniker that makes you feel good.

  5. Mike

    Talmudic Judaism was re-invented in about 100 AD at a Jewish council of Jamnia as a direct response against the fledgling Catholic Church.

      • Mike

        Yes, it’s true. The council of Jamnia in 100 AD is where they formulated modern Judaism, which is not the religion that Moses founded, but a reaction to the Church.

        Interestingly, the Church was using the 46 book Old Testament Canon in the Greek, but the Jews rejected it, and declared the 39 Book canon instead. This is the same Canon that protestants use, and it is also simply a reaction against the Chruch. So Protestants follow talmudic Jews in their truncated Canon of the OT, the same Jews who rejeced Christ and His Church!

  6. John Hixson

    A bit off topic but since some were talking SSPX this shows how different the current SSPX is compared to previous times.
    “It is interesting to look back at how 24 priest superiors of the Society of St. Pius X reacted to the declaration of excommunication by the Vatican in 1988. See the following excerpt of an open letter to “Cardinal” Bernard Gantin dated July 6, 1988:
    …we have never wished to belong to this system which calls itself the Conciliar Church, and defines itself with the Novus Ordo Missæ, an ecumenism which leads to indifferentism and the laicization of all society. Yes, we have no part, nullam partem habemus, with the pantheon of the religions of Assisi; our own excommunication by a decree of Your Eminence or of another Roman Congregation would only be the irrefutable proof of this. We ask for nothing better than to be declared out of communion with this adulterous spirit which has been blowing in the Church for the last 25 years; we ask for nothing better than to be declared outside of this impious communion of the ungodly. We believe in the One God, Our Lord Jesus Christ, with the Father and the Holy Ghost, and we will always remain faithful to His unique Spouse, the One Holy Catholic Apostolic and Roman Church.
    To be publicly associated with this sanction which is inflicted upon the six Catholic Bishops, Defenders of the Faith in its integrity and wholeness, would be for us a mark of honor and a sign of orthodoxy before the faithful. They have indeed a strict right to know that the priests who serve them are not in communion with a counterfeit church, promoting evolution, pentecostalism and syncretism.

    (“Open Letter to Cardinal Gantin, Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops”, in Archbishop Lefebvre and the Vatican, ed. by Rev. Francois Laisney [Kansas City, MO: Angelus Press, 1989], pp. 136-137; underlining added; available online here.)

    The clergy who signed this letter include the now-Bishop Faure, as well as the Superior General of the SSPX at the time, Fr. Franz Schmidberger.

  7. Novus Ordo Watch

    Hello again.
    You may not have heard them speak about it from the pulpit but their position is public and is distributed in their literature, on their web site, etc. One of the requirements to be holy and go to Heaven is submission to the Roman Pontiff: “we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff” (Pope Boniface VIII, “Unam Sanctam”; Denz. 469). People tend to pass over that.

    Sedevacantism is the only position that can make sense of the empirical facts before us without at the same time contradicting Catholic teaching. The SSPX position contradicts Catholic teaching all over the place. For example, see right here:
    http://novusordowatch.org/2017/02/pope-pius9-condemns-bishop-fellay/

    God bless you, and a blessed Good Friday!

    • Mike

      Thanks and to you too.
      I know second and third generation families at the local chapel who have never so much as seen a novus ordo mass, nor would they. They have kept the faith and have passed it on. The pews are packed with families of thirteen and fourteen children. However one makes sense of the crisis, this simply would not have happened if they had all instead stayed home and read Butler each Sunday for the last 50 years. There are sede families who are within easy distance of the local SSPX who choose to stay at home instead, and have lost their children to the world.

      • Siobhan

        Here you shed light, I’m almost certain unwittingly, upon just one of the tragic effects of the actions of the SSPX; for the instruction of innocent children in The Society’s non-Catholic approach to the Primacy of Peter-even if you take just that one single element alone-is something to lament, not rejoice in. In so doing, the SSPX betrays His Majesty with the kiss of Judas.

      • Novus Ordo Watch

        Mike, in order to be able to say that people have kept the Faith, they must have kept it in all things, not just in some. It won’t do to say that they have 13 children and avoid the Novus Ordo mess. The Faith cannot be divided up into parts. The SSPX simply does not preach the true Catholic doctrine about the Papacy, the Church, or the Magisterium. This alone is a deal breaker — the rest is, frankly, irrelevant.

  8. Not That Guy

    “To deny them this greatest of graces, to keep from them the Good News of
    our Lord Jesus Christ and to pretend that they need not abandon their
    current false religion, their non-existing “covenant” with God, is the
    greatest disservice one can possibly render to the Jewish people, for
    whom our Blessed Lord died as well, whom He lovingly desires to save
    (cf. Mk 4:21; 1 Tim 2:4), and whose eventual conversion to Christ has
    been foretold by St. Paul (see Rom 11:25-32).”

    Do we know anything specific about their eventual conversion to Christ foretold by St. Paul? Is it in reference to some individual Jews or to Jews on the whole? What would that mean, practically?

  9. Novus Ordo Watch

    They are certainly schismatics in the sense of *preaching/encouraging* the sin of schism, and they are heretics insofar as they adhere to Gallicanism and reject the Catholic teaching on a number of issues (ecclesiology, papacy, magisterium).

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