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More of the Same:
Big New Francis Interview Published

Image credit: Osservatore Romano via El País

The Spanish newspaper El País has just released a new interview with “Pope” Francis, and it’s a long one to boot: In their English translation, the answers given by Francis exceed no fewer than 6,000 words. This is not surprising for the “Pope” who has practically talked non-stop since 2013, and who has given so many interviews that we have long stopped counting (we are probably in the 30-40ish range at this point).

The Q&A with Francis was conducted in Spanish and has been made available by El País in the following languages:

Here are what are perhaps the most salient quotes of the lengthy text:

  • “To change is unnatural.”
  • “Everything is calm, everything is quiet, when everything goes right. Too much order. When you read the Acts of the Apostles, Saint Paul’s epistles, it was a mess, there were troubles, people moved. An anesthetized person is not in touch with people.”
  • “[C]lericalism … is the worst evil that may afflict today’s Church.”
  • “With regard to the Church, I would say that I hope that it never stops being close. Close to the people. Proximity. A Church that is not close is not a Church. It’s a good NGO…. Being close is touching, touching Christ in flesh and blood through your neighbor.”
  • [on President Trump:] “We will see. We will see what he does and will judge. Always on the specific. Christianity, either is specific or it is not Christianity.”
  • “I am not a saint. I am not making any revolution. I am just trying to push the Gospel forward. In an imperfect way, because I make my blunders from time to time.”
  • [on what was contained in the white box given to him by Benedict XVI in 2013:] “A very normal sample of daily life within the Church: saints and sinners, honest people and crooked people. Everything was there!”
  • “In the restaurant of life you always get many ideological dishes. Always. You may always take refuge in that. They are shelters that prevent you from connecting with reality.”
  • “When I asked the parishes and the schools in Rome to take in immigrants, many said that it had been a failure. It is not true! It was not a failure at all!”
  • “…what is the big problem for Sweden now? It isn’t that they don’t want any more immigrants to come, no! They can’t get enough of the integration programs! They wonder what else can they do to get more people to come. It is astonishing. It is an example for the whole world.”
  • “I think that I should be more unrecognized because of my sins. Paul VI was the unappreciated martyr. (…) Evangelii gadium, which frames the pastoral principles that I want for the Church, is an update of Paul VI’s Evangelii Nuntiandi. He is a man who was ahead of history. And he suffered a lot. He was a martyr.”
  • “There are some who don’t agree, of course, and they have the right, because, if I felt bad because someone disagrees with me, I would have the germ of a dictator in me. They have the right to disagree. They have the right to think that the path is dangerous, that the outcome may be bad, they have the right. But provided they talk, that they don’t hide behind others. Nobody has the right to do that. Hiding behind others is inhumane, it is a crime. Everyone has the right to debate, and I wish we all would debate more, because it creates a smoother connection between us. Debating unites us. A debate in good faith, not with slander nor things like that.”
  • [on whether he feels uncomfortable with power:] “But I don’t have the power. The power is something shared. The power exists when we make decisions that have been meditated, talked about, prayed, prayer helps me very much, it is a great support for me. I don’t feel uncomfortable with power. I feel uneasy with certain protocols, but that is because I come from the streets.”
  • “Communication comes from God. God communicates. God has communicated with us throughout history. God doesn’t exist isolated. God communicates, and has spoken, and has accompanied us, and has challenged us, and has made us change course, and he is still with us. You cannot understand Catholic theology without God’s communication. God is not static up there, watching how people have fun or ruin themselves. God gets involved, through the word and through his flesh. And that is my starting point.”
  • “Today, communicating is divine, it always was, because God communicates, and is human, because God communicated in a human way.”
  • [on when he will travel to China:] “As soon as they invite me. They know that. Besides, in China, churches are crowded. In China they can worship freely.”
  • “In times of crisis, we lack judgment, and that is a constant reference for me. Let’s look for a savior who gives us back our identity and lets defend ourselves with walls, barbed-wire, whatever, from other peoples that may rob us of our identity. And that is a very serious thing. That is why I always try to say: talk among yourselves, talk to one another. But the case of Germany in 1933 is typical, a people that was immersed in a crisis, that looked for its identity until this charismatic leader came and promised to give their identity back, and he gave them a distorted identity, and we all know what happened. Where there is no conversation… Can borders be controlled? Yes, each country has the right to control its borders, who comes and who goes, and those countries at risk —from terrorism or such things— have even more the right to control them more, but no country has the right to deprive its citizens of the possibility to talk with their neighbors.”
  • “Talk. That is the advice I give to every country. Talk, please. A fraternal conversation, if you feel up to it, or at least in a civilized way. Don’t throw insults at each other. Don’t condemn before talking. If, after the conversation, you still want to insult the other, alright, but first talk. If, after the conversation, you still want to condemn the other, alright, but first talk.”
  • “Liberation Theology was very positive for Latin America. The Vatican condemned the part that adopted the Marxist analysis of reality. Cardinal Ratzinger conducted two inquiries when he was Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. One, very clear, about the Marxist analysis of reality. And a second one that recovered some positive aspects. Liberation Theology had positive aspects and also deviations, mainly in the part of the Marxist analysis of reality.”
  • “…I have felt used, yes, there are people that have used me, my pictures, my words, as if I had said anything to them, and whenever someone asks me, I always respond: it’s not my problem, I didn’t say anything. But I am not getting into it. Everybody deals with his own conscience.”
  • “We must not look at the role of women from a functional point of view, because that way, in the end, the women, or the women’s movement in the Church, will be some sort of chauvinism in skirts. No. … But my concern is that women give us their thinking, because the Church is female, is Jesus Christ’s wife, and that is the theological foundation of women. When they ask me, I say yes, but women could have more. But what was more important on Pentecost, the Virgin or the apostles? The Virgin. The functional aspect may betray it when we put the woman in her place. We must do that, no doubt. Because there is a long way ahead yet, and we must work so that she may give to the Church the freshness of her being and her thinking.”
  • “There are always more fundamentalist groups, in every country, in Argentina. They are small groups and I respect them, they are good people that prefer to live their faith that way. I preach what I feel that the Lord asks me to preach.”
  • “In Europe there are no births. Italy has a rate below zero. I think that France is leading the way now, thanks to all the natality laws. But there are no births. The Italian welfare of years ago cut down births. We’d rather go on vacation, we have a dog, a cat, we don’t have children and, if there are no births, there are no vocations.”
  • [on the next conclave:] “I want it to be Catholic. A Catholic conclave that chooses my successor.”
  • [on seeing the next conclave from the afterlife:] “I hope it will not be from Hell… But I want it to be a Catholic consistory.”

Providing commentary on all this bizarre rambling would not only be a serious waste of time at this point but also give the Bergoglian drivel a dignity it clearly does not deserve. We already have seen and heard enough from and about Francis to know that he is not a Roman Catholic, not a priest or bishop, and most definitely not the Vicar of Christ.