Podcast: The Amusing and the Curious (Pre-Conclave Catch-Up)

After Francis but before Leo…

Podcast: The Amusing and the Curious
(Pre-Conclave Catch-Up)
TRADCAST EXPRESS 211

Our latest podcast episode, TRADCAST EXPRESS 211, has been published.

It is a special ‘catch-up’ episode discussing, although not exclusively, some items of interest that took place during the Novus Ordo sede vacante period, the few weeks after the death of Jorge Bergoglio (Francis) and before the election of Robert Prevost (Leo XIV).

In particular, we consider the not-so-bright question Taylor Marshall tweeted on May 5, “What should the Cardinals do if a non-Catholic is elected Pope?”. Then we take a look at a curious statement made by ‘Fr.’ Richard Cipolla on Rorate Caeli, to wit: “We cannot guarantee that whoever is chosen to be the next Pope is the anointed one of the Holy Spirit.” Afterwards, yours truly goes on a tangent about how Rorate Caeli quietly betrayed abandoned its own policy of never publishing leaked information when they deemed it necessary (whereas in the past they had vehemently condemned others for doing the same thing).

Following that, we marvel at how clueless ‘Cardinal’ Gerhard Ludwig Müller, Novus Ordo expert on dogmatic theology and formerly the Vatican’s chief ‘guardian of orthodoxy’, is as we review his comments to interviewer Gerard O’Connell concerning the nature of formal and material heresy. The 19-minute podcast ends with an amusing (and not terribly serious) self-contradiction by Taylor Marshall.

To listen to this fun and insightful episode, TRADCAST EXPRESS 211, please use the player below (or click here for the direct YouTube link):

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The SHOW NOTES for TRADCAST EXPRESS 211 are the following:

• Tweet by Taylor Marshall: “What should the Cardinals do if a non-Catholic is elected Pope?” (May 5, 2025)
• Catholic Encyclopedia (1911) on “Papal Elections”. States that the election of a heretic, schismatic, or female would obviously be null and void.
• Rev. Richard Cipolla, “The Inevitability of Francis, Fulfillment of the Council — and the Death of the Spirit of Vatican II”, Rorate Caeli (May 7, 2025)
• Example of ‘Pope’ Paul VI promulgating each of the 16 Vatican II documents: Lumen Gentium, dogmatic constitution on the Church, ends with: “Each and all these items which are set forth in this dogmatic Constitution have met with the approval of the Council Fathers. And We by the apostolic power given Us by Christ together with the Venerable Fathers in the Holy Spirit, approve, decree and establish it and command that what has thus been decided in the Council be promulgated for the glory of God.” Official Latin text here.
• Tweet by Novus Ordo Watch on Rorate Caeli reversing its policy of never publishing leaked information (June 7, 2025)
• New Catholic, “Notice: leaks, leakers, and standing one’s ground”, Rorate Caeli (May 10, 2012)
• New Catholic, “For the record – Confidentiality: like water through a sieve”, Rorate Caeli (June 26, 2012)
• New Catholic, “Rorate Exclusive: The Anti-Traditional and Anti-Liturgical Pastoral Letter to be Sent by the Bishop of Charlotte on Liturgical Norms in His Diocese”, Rorate Caeli (May 28, 2025)
• Gerard O’Connell, “Interview: Cardinal Müller on if Pope Francis was a heretic and what he wants in the next pope”, America (May 3, 2025)
• Some of the heresies of ‘Cardinal’ Gerhard Ludwig Müller: Denial of Christ’s Bodily Resurrection | Denial of Transubstantiation | Denial of the Perpetual Virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary
• Fathers John A. McHugh and Charles J. Callan, Moral Theology (New York, NY: Joseph F. Wagner, Inc., 1958)
• YouTube Video: Taylor Marshall, “I submit to POPE LEO XIV – My Initial Thoughts” (May 9, 2025). Quoted excerpt starts at 1:33:20 min mark.
• YouTube Video: Taylor Marshall, “Pope Leo XIV removes controversial Head of John Paul II Institute” (May 19, 2025). Quoted excerpt starts at 43:36 min mark.

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