Mentions ‘Sedevacantists’ to Chinese interviewer…
Francis in Interview: Some Only Accept the Popes up to Pius XII, Not the Popes After!
The Rev. Pedro Chia, S.J., is director of the press office of the Chinese Province of the Society of Jesus (Jesuits).
On May 24, 2024, he had the misfortune of interviewing the Argentinian apostate Jorge Bergoglio — under his stage name ‘Pope Francis’ — in the Apostolic Palace in the Vatican. The full video of the brief, 15-minute conversation was released today, Aug. 9, on YouTube.
Early on in the interview, ‘Fr.’ Chia asks Francis how he deals with stress, with problems in the Church, with criticism, and with opposition from others.
Bergoglio gave a most interesting answer, which we produce in English translation (via DeepL) below, followed by the Spanish original:
[FRANCIS:]
Criticism always helps. Even if it is not constructive, it always helps, because it makes you reflect on the way you act, you know? And then, consultations help me a lot, right? Consulting, listening, you know?
And how do I deal with resistance? Well, sometimes you have to wait and put up with it. And many times you have to correct yourself. Because behind resistance there can be good criticism, right? And also sometimes with pain, because the opposition, as it is happening at the moment, is not only against me, it is against the Church.
For example, there is a group, a few people, right, who only recognize [the Popes] up to Pius XII, not the Popes after that. They are very few people, very few people, a small group, right? In a Spanish magazine a few issues ago, there was a list of 22 sedevacantist groups. But they are small groups, and with time they will be integrated, won’t they?
[Spanish original:]
Las críticas siempre ayudan. Aunque no sean constructivas, ayudan siempre, porque lo hacen a uno reflexionar sobre su modo de actuar, ¿no? Y después, me ayudan mucho las consultas, ¿no? Consultar, escuchar, ¿no?
¿Y cómo afronto las resistencias? Bueno, a veces hay que esperar, e aguantar. Y muchas veces corregirse uno mismo. Porque detrás de una resistencia puede haber una crítica buena, ¿no? Y también con dolor a veces, porque las resistencias, como suceden en estos momentos, no son sólo contra mi persona, son contra la Iglesia.
Por ejemplo, hay un grupo, poca gente, ¿no? que solamente reconocen hasta Pio XII, los Papas después ya no. Son de muy poca gente, muy poca gente, pequeño grupo, ¿no? En una revista española de hace unos números atrás, aparecían la lista de 22 grupos sedevacantistas. Pero son grupos pequeños, y que con el tiempo se van a ir integrando, ¿no?
The entire exchange can be viewed just below. It takes place from 2:31 – 4:20 timestamps and is already cued up to the right moment (English subtitles may have to be enabled in the settings):
What’s interesting here is that ‘Pope’ Francis brings up Sedevacantists at all. At first he only speaks of critics in general, people who resist him, which he was asked by ‘Fr.’ Chia. But then he wishes to give a concrete example, and with no cue from the interviewer he begins to speak about Sedevacantists, even mentioning them by that very label. The million dollar question is, why?
This is in fact the second time this year that Francis has mentioned the term ‘Sedevacantists’ in an interview. The first time was in March, when he called us “mushrooms” that spring up everywhere — so perhaps we are not so small a group after all:
Apparently Sedevacantism is on his mind, for whatever reason. His silly remark that with time we will be integrated into his Modernist sect, which is displaying its apostasy from the Catholic Faith more and more with eacb passing day, is so absurd that he can’t possibly believe it himself.
Here ‘Pope’ Francis will simply have to eat his own apostate theology: He claims that other religions are actively willed by God and that they are an ‘enrichment’ to humanity because they all show different ways to God? Well then, what prevents Sedevacantism too from being a divinely-willed enrichment leading man to eternal happiness?
On another note: Bergoglio’s confident assurance that he welcomes even non-constructive criticism lacks credibility. In the past, he was a little less enthusiastic about that:
- Pope Francis says criticism is ‘always helpful.’ His record suggests he thinks otherwise (Life Site)
Vatican News is promoting Bergoglio’s blather as a “message of hope for the Chinese people”, we might add. But if there’s one thing Francis hasn’t given the Chinese people, it’s hope. He’s betrayed them, thrown them under the bus, stabbed them in the back by acknowledging the Communist-appointed pseudo-bishops as legitimate Catholic shepherds and throwing the persecuted underground Catholics under the bus.
That’s par for the course, however, for a man who is the ultimate false shepherd.
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