Vatican II Debate

The Ecclesiology Debate:
Did Vatican II Teach Heresy?

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Bp. Donald Sanborn vs. Dr. Robert Fastiggi

 

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Resolved: The teaching of the Second Vatican Council and the Post-Conciliar Church about the Nature of the Catholic Church is HERETICAL.

Participants:

  • Affirmative: Most Rev. Donald Sanborn (Sedevacantist)
  • Negative: Dr. Robert Fastiggi, Ph.D. (Novus Ordo)
  • Moderator: Mr. Courtney Robinson

Date of Debate: July 19, 2004

Length of Debate: 2:00 hrs

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Documents & Documentation relating to this debate

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Explosive 1964 Karl Rahner Testimony on Joseph Ratzinger, John XXIII, Paul VI

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Fr. Karl Rahner, S.J. (left), with Fr. Joseph Ratzinger at the Second Vatican Council

Discovered in 2011, Karl Rahner Testimony from 1963-64 confirms Theological “Bloodbath” at Second Vatican Council (1962-65)

A formerly hidden letter by Karl Rahner to his brother Fr. Hugo Rahner, dated Nov. 2, 1963, was exhibited at a Carmelite church in Munich, Germany, in 2012, on the occasion of the 50th anniversary of the opening of the Second Vatican Council. (This letter had been in the possession of the son of Karl Rahner’s younger sister, Elisabeth Cremer [d.

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Start Here

START HERE

So you just stumbled upon this web site and are wondering what in the world this is all about? Then this page is for you!

What’s going on? Why this odd web site?

To make a long story short: What is today known as Roman Catholicism is in fact not the Roman Catholicism of the past. You can verify this for yourself just by looking at Church history, and virtually all disinterested historians will confirm this. The big rupture occurred at the Second Vatican Council, a gathering of all Catholic bishops called in 1959 by the newly-elected “Pope John XXIII”.

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013 TRADCAST (26 APR 2016) – SPECIAL EDITION

Contents

  • Special Topic: Francis’ Post-Synodal “Apostolic” Exhortation Amoris Laetitia
  • Segment 1: Introductory Remarks and Initial Comments — The Vatican’s Presentation of the Exhortation on April 8, 2016
  • Segment 2: Presentation and refutation of the worst passages found in Amoris Laetitia
  • Segment 3: The reactions to Amoris Laetitia: overview and discussion — Critique of various positions — An offer to victims of the New Church who are in an adulterous union — Concluding remarks
  • Total run time: 2 hours 32 minutes

You can listen to the show by clicking the big play button in the embedded player above.

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Refreshing Catholic Truth…

Recent Conferences by Bishop Sanborn:

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The Great Apostasy, Vatican II, the Novus Ordo Church, and Sedevacantism

In these first few months of 2016, sedevacantist Bishop Donald Sanborn has done some traveling and given conferences on true Catholicism, the changes introduced by the Second Vatican Council, and the current state of “Catholicism” in the Novus Ordo Church. The audio recordings of these highly informative talks have now been made available by His Excellency to the general public and can be downloaded or streamed free of charge below.

Bp. Sanborn is rector of Most Holy Trinity Seminary in Brooksville, Florida.

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The fruits of 50+ Years of Vatican II “theology”…

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French Novus Ordo Bishop hesitates to call Pedophilia a Sin

We have long said that Novus Ordo bishops are the most useless people on earth. The latest confirmation of this thesis comes from “Mgr.” Stanislas Lalanne, the local “Catholic bishop” of Pontoise, France, appointed by “Pope” Benedict XVI.

The following story ran in the French Novus Ordo publication La Croix in early April:

Bishop Lalanne Hesitates to Qualify Pedophilia as a Sin

By Marie Malzac, April 6, 2017

Interviewed Tuesday on RCF [Francophone Christian Radio], Bishop Stanislas Lalanne maintained that pedophilia was “an evil,” but not necessarily “in the order of sin,” rousing the condemnation of the victims group La Parole libérée [“The Liberated Word”] and incomprehension from both inside and outside the Church.

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Like clockwork…

SSPX Bp. Fellay: Francis extends Faculties for Confession beyond ‘Year of Mercy’

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The long-time leader of the Society of St. Pius X, Bp. Fellay

Looks like everything is going according to plan. Just as we predicted, as Francis opens a huge door for the “divorced-and-remarried” — unfortunately, it’s the door to hell — he is likewise being very “merciful” to the Lefebvrist Society of St. Pius X. Gotta keep those traditionalists happy in the face of such a big whopper as the “Apostolic Exhortation” just released.

On April 10, 2016, the SSPX Superior General, Bishop Bernard Fellay, announced during a sermon (full audio here) in Puy-en-Velay (France) that “Pope” Francis had told him at a recent meeting in the Vatican that he would extend the faculties he had given the SSPX to hear confessions validly, beyond the “Jubilee Year of Mercy”, which ends on November 20 of this year.

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Impeccable Timing!

Vatican: SSPX Need Not Adhere to All of Vatican II for Canonical Recognition

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“Mgr.” Guido Pozzo (2009)
Photo credit: Emanuela DE MEO/CPP/CIRIC via la-croix.com

In American politics, this would be called an “October surprise”. In the Vatican II religion, it is just another whim of Francis’ god of surprises: As the ink on the dreaded post-synodal exhortation Amoris Laetitia has not even dried yet, the Vatican announces a curious concession to the Lefebvrist Society of St. Pius X: Adherence to all of Vatican II is not a requirement for canonical recognition by the “Holy See”. Thus says “Mgr.” Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Vatican’s Ecclesia Dei Commission in charge of dealing with the SSPX.

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Ecumenism & Interreligious Dialogue:

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Indifferentism and Syncretism Repackaged

 

At the heart of the Novus Ordo Church there is Ecumenism, a collection of heretical, erroneous, and impious beliefs and practices that — officially — aims to bring about “unity” among all those who claim the name of “Christian.” In similar fashion, the practice of Interreligious Dialogue aims to foster good relations with Jews, Mohammedans, and Pagans of every kind.

Lip service to the contrary notwithstanding, both ecumenism and interreligious dialogue deny the uniqueness of the Catholic Church as the only true Church established by God, the necessity of belonging to the Church for salvation, the dogma of the unity of the Church in faith and government, and many other Catholic doctrines, whether implicitly or explicitly.

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The Holy Catholic Mass

The Holy Catholic Mass:

How the Vatican II Sect transformed the August Sacrifice of the Altar into a Liturgical “Happy Meal”

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Nowhere is the apostate nature of the Vatican II religion more evident than in what it has done to the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, which is the true and perfect worship which alone is per se acceptable to the Most Holy Trinity. Thick tomes could be — and have been — written on the liturgical changes perpetrated by the Vatican II Sect, and certainly it is beyond the scope of this page to address them all. Rather, on this page we will present an overview of what has changed and then point you to resources that provide further details:

Direct Comparison: Traditional Latin Mass of the Ages vs.

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John XXIII

Paul VI

The Facts About “Pope Paul VI” – Giovanni Battista Montini

What You Need To Know About the Man who Claimed to be the Pope from 1963-1978

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“Paul VI”

On August 6, 1978, Bishop Giovanni Battista Montini, the man who claimed to be the Pope of the Catholic Church from 1963 to 1978 under the name of “Paul VI”, was called by God to judgment. It was Paul VI, more than any other of the Conciliar papal pretenders, who visibly transformed the Holy Roman Catholic Church into the Modernist Novus Ordo Sect of the Second Vatican Council, whose documents he alone approved and promulgated.

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John Paul II

Benedict XVI

The Facts About “Pope Benedict XVI” – Joseph Alois Ratzinger

What You Need To Know About the Man who Claimed to be the Pope from 2005-2013

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Fr. Joseph A. Ratzinger

“Benedict XVI”

On April 19, 2005, the German “cardinal” Fr. Joseph Ratzinger was elected “Pope” Benedict XVI. This page is dedicated to demonstrating that the past and present beliefs and actions of this individual reveal that he is not a Catholic, and therefore he cannot possibly have held the highest office in the Catholic Church, the papacy. Furthermore, the “episcopal consecration” of Fr. Ratzinger in 1977 was invalid, and hence Joseph Ratzinger is not even a bishop but only a priest (ordained in 1951). 

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United in heresy…

Francis again affirms Non-Catholic “Martyrs”, says Monophysites are Part of the Body of Christ

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Image: L’Osservatore Romano

Please pardon us if we sound repetitive, but it is “Pope” Francis’ fault, for he is the one who keeps repeating the same heresies over and over again. We realize that, deplorably, we find ourselves so deeply trapped in Theological Absurdistan now that one more heretical statement from the “Holy Father” will barely elicit any reaction from those who have long made themselves believe that a heretical Pope is not only possible but even a fairly common, or at least trivial, occurrence in Church history.

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